Toast 8x won't launch

[R0GUE]

I've read that some people have had problems getting Toast to launch correctly because they did not have QE/CI enabled, however, I do have it enabled and Toast still won't launch. I'm just wondering if others have experienced the same issue? I have a fresh install of Zeph's 10.5.1 rev 1 and so far everything else seems to be behaving.

My Specs:
AMD64 X2 6000+ @ 3Ghz Per Core (SSE3/Socket AM2)
MSI K9N SLI (nForce 570 MCP)
2Gb DDR2-667 Ram
nVIDIA GeForce 8600 GTS 256MB (Zephyroth nVIDIA Universal Installer)
Onboard Sound ALC888 Chipset (Skippy's ALC888 Patch)
Netgear FA311 10/100 PCI (Onboard nVIDIA Lan not working)
Hitachi 160Gb IDE HD - Mac OS X 10.5.1 (Zephyroth)
Sony Dual Layer IDE DVD RW DW-Q28A
Apple Pro Keyboard
MS Optical Intellimouse 5 Button USB

[naquaada]

QE/CI is neccessary. Which version of Toast do you have? Mine is 8.0.112 and it works without problems.

[Puttabong]

R0GUE, that's a little bizarre, because Toast 8.3 worked on Rev. 1 for me, and so it does on Rev. 2!
However, it didn't work without QE/CI. All I saw was the app Icon appearing, bumping, and disappearing again :)

Please post a picture of your System Profiler, which shows the Graphic Card Info.

[R0GUE]

Hi naquaada,
I've tried 8.1 and 8.3 to no avail. I might have 8.0 kicking around somewhere in the archives, so I'll try and give that a go. Popcorn 3 also produces the same error - I guess because it uses the same engine as Toast.

edit: puttabong,
I'll do that. Thanks.

[Voyn1x]

Exactly the same problem here with the Rev 1 release. Bouncing icon then nothing. QE/CI enabled too. Tried downgrading to Toast 8.0 which used to work on Tiger 10.4.8 but had no luck with that either.

Specs:

Nvidia 6600GT
Athlon 3500+ SSE2 (Overclocked)
2Gb Ram
Gigabyte K8NF-9
Realtek AC97 ALC850

[R0GUE]

Voyn1x;
When you launch Toast take a look at the console and see what error you get. I'll post my results back here for comparison.

[Voyn1x]

Will do, i'm at work at the mo - will post them in a couple of hours :)

[Voyn1x]

Ok i've now looked in my console, it doesn't seem report any errors (unless i'm looking in the wrong place) since Toast stays in my dock saying 'Application not responding'. So I force quit it and I get:

([0x0-0x107107].com.roxio.Toast[33254]): Exited: Terminated

which i think is the standard response from a force quit.

These are the details for my graphics card driver:

GeForce 6600 GT:

Chipset Model: GeForce 6600 GT
Type: Display
Bus: PCIe
PCIe Lane Width: x16
VRAM (Total): 128 MB
Vendor: NVIDIA (0x10de)
Device ID: 0x0140
Revision ID: 0x00a2
ROM Revision: NVinject 0.1.5
Displays:
SDM-HS95:
Resolution: 1280 x 1024 @ 75 Hz
Depth: 32-bit Color
Core Image: Hardware Accelerated
Main Display: Yes
Mirror: Off
Online: Yes
Quartz Extreme: Supported
Rotation: Supported
Display Connector:
Status: No display connected

[zephyroth]

Toast needs some decrypts too

[cgsheen]

This may be "repeating the obvious" but did you use Marvin's AMD Utility after you installed Toast?

[R0GUE]

cgsheen:This may be "repeating the obvious" but did you use Marvin's AMD Utility after you installed Toast?
I didn't. I don't have another install of OS X on this machine so I guess that rules me out?

Edit: Running Toast with Rosetta allows it to launch. However, that is not an ideal solution.

[cgsheen]

R0GUE: cgsheen:This may be "repeating the obvious" but did you use Marvin's AMD Utility after you installed Toast?
I didn't. I don't have another install of OS X on this machine so I guess that rules me out?
????

[R0GUE]

I've no idea how to run Marvin's Utility, the instructions (to me) seem ambiguous at best. I was under the impression that you needed two installs of OS X to be able to do any form of patching. Honestly, I'm not sure what to do as this was never an issue when running Tiger.

[cgsheen]

Oh, I'm not a Marvin's expert, but I've always been under the impression that whenever you installed new software, you needed to use Marvin's to check for CPU_ID's (and on the rare occassion, encrypted binaries). That seemed to make sense to me - expecially when the software is likely built to run on an Intel processor.

You don't need 2 installs to run it. You just need to copy it to your Applications folder. It's fairly simple, even if it's a bit "terse"... Most people probably use the 2nd option, which really just LOOKS for CPU_ID's that may need to be changed. When it's complete, it builds a log and patch file you can then use to make the CPU_ID changes of you wish. I use the second option once in a while. After I've installed 10.5.1 and any software I want, and done all the updates I want, I usually run Marvin's using Option 4 - which just "does it" - searches and patches automatically. (don't know that I should have that much trust - but, since I know very little, IT probably knows a lot better than me what needs to be done...)

Turns out I have 8.0.3 and it runs fine on mine. My specs: 6100/430 socket 939 MB, Athlon64 X2 4200+, 8600GTS (QE/CI), 2GB DDR, lots of different drives, blah, blah... (see my sig. @ insanelymac)

[Voyn1x]

I also don't remember having to do that on Tiger. For some reason I presumed the AMD utility was only for use on Apple software/updates?

Anyway i've just had a go at using the 'Patch all binaries' option but it leaves one file untouched. So I'm now having a go at making a 'Patcher package' then rebooting in single user mode and running it using the 'patch on boot method' mentioned here: http://forum.insanelymac.com/index.php?showtopic=78434&hl=

[jrangles]

Installing driver of video "nati" for nvidia, works perfect and without no problem.

Sorry my english

[naquaada]

I remember: Popcorn 3 wasn't also working on my system, but I still actually use 10.4.7 as main system :-P
I'm really too lazy to port all my data to another drive.

[R0GUE]

Hi guys, please bear with me, the whole concept of decrypts and CPUIDs is still relatively new to me. So just for kicks I installed Leo on another drive, installed the kexts for my GF8600 GTS and then dropped in Toast. I then pointed Marvin's AMD Utility to the Toast folder and asked it to find and patch CPUIDs (although I'm not entirely sure if that was the correct procedure). Toast.app had now been modified - but the same thing still happened - launch, hang and quit. Maybe I'm misinterpreting the whole point of what MAU does, but I think it might be something else other than decrypts and CPUIDs. If Toast runs with Rosetta then it must be something simple thats causing it to crash natively. Going off-topic, will Rev. 2 require any of this messing about if EFI is used?

[R0GUE]

naquaada:I remember: Popcorn 3 wasn't also working on my system, but I still actually use 10.4.7 as main system :-P
I'm really too lazy to port all my data to another drive.
I tried going back to 10.4.10, but it didn't like my 8600GTS :(

[cgsheen]

R0GUE:... but I think it might be something else other than decrypts and CPUIDs. If Toast runs with Rosetta then it must be something simple thats causing it to crash natively.I think you're right. 8.0.3 runs perfectly on mine (and I didn't even run Marvin's after I installed it...) I burned another Zephyroth Install DVD using it. First disk I've ever burned on a Mac - err - Hack!!

[Voyn1x]

cgsheen;

I think it maybe because i'm using Nvinject. Can i ask what graphics driver you're using?

I wonder if Zephyroth's nVIDIA Universal Installer uses nvinject kexts? If it does it would explain why i'm having the same problems as Rogue.

[cgsheen]

I can't use Zephyroth's nVidia Universal Installer (either version) with my 8600GTS... I have to use "johnniecarcinogen"'s v0 .1 package "10.5.2_NVKexts+.pkg" ( NV8600 kexts v0.1 Installer )

It says he uses NVinject0.2.0 and the 10.5.2 .kexts and OpenGL

It's the only installer that works for me without either a kernel panic, an NVinject error (and NO 8600GTS support) or a lockup... All the other 10.5.2 or Universal nVidia Installers give me problems (even Johnnie's NEW Installer versions!)