just a last update on the temperature thing before I dismantle my system.
temp running around 45 degrees no overclocking but I do have a thermalright xp-120 so I'm guessing the temps would be hell of a lot higher for some people, to give you a guide I usually have my processor runnging @ just under 2800mhz and it never gets hotter than around 45. i'm thinking someone with a standard amd cooler will definatly be up in the 60's.