I am using a realtek 8169, so thats different, just out of interest are you using a router? If so what have you set mtu to in osx and on router?

yeah, i'm running the classic WRT54G router. MTU is set to auto (1500) in the router and auto (1500) in osx as well. i've always had these settings in osx since the days of tiger 10.4.8. what does your realtek adapter use for a driver? does it use its own third-party driver?

yet another update:

i decided to install another fresh copy of 10.5.2 rev1 on a spare partition just now, but this time i am using nLan for ethernet (forcedeth) instead of my marvell (skgeosx), which I have now disabled completely in BIOS. everything else is totally pure on this installation except for the video kexts i need to modify for my video card to run. i also updated leopard (including the new safari 3.1), and patched everything with marvin's. for now, i've decided not to install AppleSMBIOS-27 or the fixed IONetworkingFamily, and i am leaving the mach_kernel at the default 9.2.0. if i get problems with this setup, i will replace the AppleSMBIOS and then try the fixed IONetworkingFamily. as a test, i will be downloading a 3GB torrent with bitrocket and little snitch running. may leave it to seed over night as well. i'll report back with my results when i find out something new.

My lan card uses apples driver, so I haven't changed IONetworking, I'm not sure which AppleSMBIOS I'm using can't remember wether I changed it on this installation or not.
I have a wag54gs router just updated the firmware on it "you never know".

Hmm, I still have a Realtek 8139 PCI network adapter laying around that I actualy used for JAS 10.4.8 and Tubgirls 10.4.9 (10) in the past. Maybe I should try the card again. I haven't had any issues so far though so I'll wait till they start to occur again.
Im' still at HTx4 FSB230 3-4-4-8 here.
I remember the issue with the nForce LAN was that the OS crashed when using iTunes radio stations or Front Row movie trailers or cd previews. I don't even know which skge kext we're running anymore lol, is it a modded one from Zeph or?
Thing is though, Lanxxx is using a totaly different network solution and still has the same issue.
For now we can just update this thread with our latest experiences.
Did all of us (with the issues) change the SMBIOS kext? I wonder. My Time Machine broke too and I can't figure out what happend. I did change the SMBIOS cause I had issues with Photoshop but, I've tried the old ones again and Time Machine is still broken. Photoshop doesn't crash anymore though, for now.

Laters

Snow, I just thought of something. Maybe when you changed your SMBIOS, it affected the way your MAC address is displayed to Time Machine, hence the MAC address error it's giving you? Perhaps when you changed it back, you didn't reload the kext cache? We're a little off topic on this now, I guess.

Oh, I checked the skgeosx driver that we have from Zeph and it appears to be the same one that was initially released by the guy who made it. Forcedeth, on the other hand, was modded by Zeph, afaik. And I don't know if I even have the latest one. I am using 10.5.2 rev1, but has he done anything new to that kext since then? Anyone know? It doesn't say so in his rev2 thread. It worked alright for me, but it didn't display or connect to network computers properly, so I had to dump it and go back to skgeosx for my Marvell instead. Bah. So much for that test.

Hmm, I always use Kext Helper lately which seems to update the cache.

Btw , Agra, YOUR BLOODY INBOX IS FULL ON INSANELYMAC! lol
Guess I wasn't the one to clean out my nox after all.

Anyway, is there any way to completely reset or even reinstall Time Machine?
Ah so it does work, no crashes but it doesnt work well on the local network. I don't think he updated it since rev. 1 m8.

Was about to send you the cpui.txt until I got the inbox is full error from you so I will paste the link here bud:

http://www.sendspace.com/file/jhq2sg

I've edited the file so it only displays the one file that needed to be patched. This is after I've done Safari 3.1 and latest Airport and Security updates.

Good luck son!

Hiya all
well hope in a way I'm wrong about this, cos it will piss me off a little if it turns out to be right.
So far uptime just over 5 hours.
I have to go out in a few mo's and won't be back till tomoz so can't test any longer till then, so maybe someone would like to try this if you haven't already.
I only made two changes
1 I updated the firmware for my router. linksys wag54gs
2 configured my lan card to half duplex 10baseT <-really hope this isn't the answer. Having gone out and purchased a lan card for £7

Anyway so far no crashes no weird mouse, just running fine. opened about a dozen apps I'm not using just to stress pc a little more, still fine.

now 6 hours no faults

I don't have a router nor did I configured the lan card.

So far I haven't ran into any issues after I've relaxed my RAM timings. Only thing that's been broken now is Time Machine.
I just need to keep working until issues occur (hopefully this wont happen)

I do suggest trying one thing at a time. I changed the applesmbios recently and that could be the cause of Time Machine not working anymore but I don't seem to have the Photoshop crash.
So for now I'll just focus on the ram timings.

Uptime here about 4 hours

Did you use the fix for time machine?

Yeah bud, no good.

In time machine prefs I get: Backup volume could not be found

My thread about this issue is here: http://osx.kbot.de/comments.php?DiscussionID=775&page=1#Item_8

Last night I gave up on the nLan adapter after I discovered that it doesn't handle local network shares properly. So I went back to my original Leopard installation with skgeosx/Marvell lan adapter. System has been up 14 hours now and slow jerky mouse is back. This time it's less intense, but I'm leaving my system on to see if it gets worse over time. Some notes: Last night when I left the system on, I forgot that Little Snitch was off, and I was running Transmission. Coincidentally, Transmission crashed only two hours after I fell asleep, so I didn't get a good test out of that. However, I re-opened it, and turned Little Snitch back on. After about 2-3 hours, the mouse jerking is happening. This is also what I was doing while it happened:

Safari 3.1 - I was aggressively browsing and downloading about 30 MP3 files ranging from 2MB-16MB in size.
Quicktime - I was sampling each of the MP3s I was downloading.
iChat - talking to one friend (about the MP3s, hehehe).
Transmission - as I already mentioned, downloading a 3GB file from approx. 20 peers and seeding at the same time to others.

As soon as I noticed the mouse jerking, I stopped Little Snitch to see if it would help. It either didn't help or the difference was very slight.

Now, as I check my console again, what do I see? Oh! The f**king mDNSresponder tick messages and a host of cs_invalid_page messages again! This has to be somehow related, and the only things that come up on google about these messages are related to hackintoshes or VERY rare "real" mac problems not related to our issues at all. Here's a text file of the console messages. Go through them if you'd like, and let me know if you get anything at all similar to this. Most importantly, I want to know what "lssave" is, and if it has anything to do with Little Snitch, because I am getting that particular cs_invalid_page message A LOT (as you'll see).

<a href="http://www.mediafire.com/?gyaimyb06ks">http://www.mediafire.com/?gyaimyb06ks</a>

Ok! I just googled the "lssave" thing and found out that it has to do with the same LaunchServices thing I was talking about a couple days ago. Coincidentally, I found an apple discussion link that once again pointed to that LaunchServices database rebuilder that I gave the link to. I will now try it out and report back with results (if any).

EDIT: Ok, tried it out, and no luck on clearing these "lssave" cs_invalid_page messages. I don't think it will help me out in any other way, but I'll report back if it does somehow.

I know this might sound like a very basic problem, but what is the severity level of this issue? Is this mouse movement noticed in all of your computers everyone? Or am I the only one not facing problems with this release, lol. =)

I would like to hear. Thanks everyone.

I had a whole big post typed out but i accidentally hit command+left arrow and lost it :(

Long story short, I'm in the same boat as the rest of you (computer is a x2 3800+ OC'd to 2.5Ghz via FSB increase running zephyroth 10.5.2 rev1) and have the seemingly random 10810 errors. I get random reboots too while I'm away from my computer, so it's never on long enough to see the jerky mouse all the time.

I tried running everything I have at once to run it out of threads, but it didn't work. I'm going to try relaxing the FSB and see if that helps tomorrow.

what mobo/chipset do you have? and what kind of ram do you have? do you have any constantly running apps in the background (like little snitch)? at this point i've given up on finding a solution, and i just want to know what common link divides those of us who are having these issues from those who are not. there has to be an answer.

for me, a sure-fire way to get the system to start acting strange was to run torrents with little snitch turned on. so i turned off little snitch and started downloading a torrent, and so far i've been running for 10 hours without an issue. additionally, i've only seen ONE mDNSresponder "tick" error since. normally i would have seen about 10 by now. that's all i've got to say though :) i'm sure this problem will return in some way or another.

here's a little something to try out, posted by bhast2:

http://osx.kbot.de/comments.php?DiscussionID=676&page=1#Comment_10072

the theory is that cutting down on system logs will free up performance a bit. try it for yourselves, but give it some time guys. post back with your results. after i do it, i'm gonna try for a 24 hour run with some torrent downloads and little snitch.

that would be amazing if cutting the system log works, crossing my fingers. =)

As i can see this doesn't work at all still get the errors

I have an NF4 DFI Lanparty Ultra-D with G.SKILL 2GB (2 x 1GB) 184-Pin DDR SDRAM DDR 500 (PC 4000), and a radeon x1900xt. I had little snitch installed at one point then I decided I didn't need it and uninstalled it. I haven't ran a torrent for a few weeks. Nothing starts at login.

How is everyone getting on with this? Still having problems?

Still no issues here bud. Same RAM settings (HTx4 / 3-4-4-8)

If it turns out to be true then you made my system 100% stable, ya silly tit ;)

Gee thanks ;-)

Woops spoke too soon bud, PS just crashed again. Hmm, this didnt happend in a while though. I'll just post the console log here:

20/03/08 20 maart 20:34:04 Adobe Photoshop CS3[339] *** _NSAutoreleaseNoPool(): Object 0x1df78820 of class NSThread autoreleased with no pool in place - just leaking
Stack: (0x925aa12f 0x924b6ec2 0x924bc954 0x1e32c6 0x52e71a 0x61e9e9 0x219bee 0x219d31 0x3272 0x3199)
20/03/08 20 maart 20:34:07 [0x0-0x4a04a].com.adobe.Photoshop[339] objc[339]: Class EpicController is implemented in both /Applications/Adobe Photoshop CS3/Adobe Photoshop CS3.app/Contents/Frameworks/adobe_personalization.framework/adobe_personalization and /Applications/Adobe Photoshop CS3/Adobe Photoshop CS3.app/Contents/Frameworks/adobe_registration.framework/adobe_registration. Using implementation from /Applications/Adobe Photoshop CS3/Adobe Photoshop CS3.app/Contents/Frameworks/adobe_registration.framework/adobe_registration.
20/03/08 20 maart 20:34:07 [0x0-0x4a04a].com.adobe.Photoshop[339] objc[339]: Class EpicJSWindowExternalHandler is implemented in both /Applications/Adobe Photoshop CS3/Adobe Photoshop CS3.app/Contents/Frameworks/adobe_personalization.framework/adobe_personalization and /Applications/Adobe Photoshop CS3/Adobe Photoshop CS3.app/Contents/Frameworks/adobe_registration.framework/adobe_registration. Using implementation from /Applications/Adobe Photoshop CS3/Adobe Photoshop CS3.app/Contents/Frameworks/adobe_registration.framework/adobe_registration.
20/03/08 20 maart 20:34:07 [0x0-0x4a04a].com.adobe.Photoshop[339] objc[339]: Class EpicWizardController is implemented in both /Applications/Adobe Photoshop CS3/Adobe Photoshop CS3.app/Contents/Frameworks/adobe_personalization.framework/adobe_personalization and /Applications/Adobe Photoshop CS3/Adobe Photoshop CS3.app/Contents/Frameworks/adobe_registration.framework/adobe_registration. Using implementation from /Applications/Adobe Photoshop CS3/Adobe Photoshop CS3.app/Contents/Frameworks/adobe_registration.framework/adobe_registration.
20/03/08 20 maart 20:34:07 [0x0-0x4a04a].com.adobe.Photoshop[339] objc[339]: Class EpicPanel is implemented in both /Applications/Adobe Photoshop CS3/Adobe Photoshop CS3.app/Contents/Frameworks/adobe_personalization.framework/adobe_personalization and /Applications/Adobe Photoshop CS3/Adobe Photoshop CS3.app/Contents/Frameworks/adobe_registration.framework/adobe_registration. Using implementation from /Applications/Adobe Photoshop CS3/Adobe Photoshop CS3.app/Contents/Frameworks/adobe_registration.framework/adobe_registration.
20/03/08 20 maart 20:35:33 kernel CODE SIGNING: cs_invalid_page: p=361[lssave] clearing CS_VALID
20/03/08 20 maart 20:40:43 kernel CODE SIGNING: cs_invalid_page: p=364[mdworker] clearing CS_VALID
20/03/08 20 maart 20:45:53 kernel CODE SIGNING: cs_invalid_page: p=369[mdworker] clearing CS_VALID
20/03/08 20 maart 20:46:07 mDNSResponder[23] mDNSPlatformRawTime: last_mach_absolute_time EC45A25300000EAB
20/03/08 20 maart 20:46:07 mDNSResponder[23] mDNSPlatformRawTime: this_mach_absolute_time EC3520C400000EAB
20/03/08 20 maart 20:48:04 Adobe Crash Reporter[373] Process Id:
20/03/08 20 maart 20:48:04 Adobe Crash Reporter[373] 339
20/03/08 20 maart 20:48:04 [0x0-0x4a04a].com.adobe.Photoshop[339] 2008-03-20 20:48:04.270 Adobe Crash Reporter[373:10b] Process Id:
20/03/08 20 maart 20:48:04 [0x0-0x4a04a].com.adobe.Photoshop[339] 2008-03-20 20:48:04.271 Adobe Crash Reporter[373:10b] 339
20/03/08 20 maart 20:48:13 ReportCrash[374] Formulating crash report for process Adobe Photoshop CS3[339]
20/03/08 20 maart 20:48:19 ReportCrash[374] Saved crashreport to /Users/Snow/Library/Logs/CrashReporter/Adobe Photoshop CS3_2008-03-20-204805_Moeder.crash using uid: 501 gid: 20, euid: 501 egid: 20
20/03/08 20 maart 20:48:19 com.apple.launchd[119] ([0x0-0x4a04a].com.adobe.Photoshop[339]) Exited abnormally: Bus error
20/03/08 20 maart 20:48:20 kernel CODE SIGNING: cs_invalid_page: p=376[ATSServer] clearing CS_VALID
20/03/08 20 maart 20:48:37 kernel CODE SIGNING: cs_invalid_page: p=380[lssave] clearing CS_VALID
20/03/08 20 maart 20:48:38 kernel CODE SIGNING: cs_invalid_page: p=381[Console] clearing CS_VALID

I booted PS back up and bam, after a few mins another crash.

Log:

20/03/08 20 maart 21:05:31 Adobe Crash Reporter[400] Process Id:
20/03/08 20 maart 21:05:31 Adobe Crash Reporter[400] 388
20/03/08 20 maart 21:05:31 [0x0-0x53053].com.adobe.Photoshop[388] 2008-03-20 21:05:31.407 Adobe Crash Reporter[400:10b] Process Id:
20/03/08 20 maart 21:05:31 [0x0-0x53053].com.adobe.Photoshop[388] 2008-03-20 21:05:31.409 Adobe Crash Reporter[400:10b] 388
20/03/08 20 maart 21:05:35 Adobe Crash Reporter[400] (null)
20/03/08 20 maart 21:05:35 [0x0-0x53053].com.adobe.Photoshop[388] reproStepsString:
20/03/08 20 maart 21:05:35 [0x0-0x53053].com.adobe.Photoshop[388] 2008-03-20 21:05:35.530 Adobe Crash Reporter[400:10b] (null)
20/03/08 20 maart 21:05:41 com.apple.launchd[119] ([0x0-0x53053].com.adobe.Photoshop[388]) Exited: Terminated
20/03/08 20 maart 21:05:49 Adobe Crash Reporter[373] (null)
20/03/08 20 maart 21:05:49 [0x0-0x4a04a].com.adobe.Photoshop reproStepsString:
20/03/08 20 maart 21:05:49 [0x0-0x4a04a].com.adobe.Photoshop 2008-03-20 21:05:49.353 Adobe Crash Reporter[373:10b] (null)

Oh well, so we know memory times improves things but doesn't cure. I am 100% its network related and even more specifically internet.
Snow how are you connecting to the internet? router, modem etc?

Don't be too sure of that yet Ianxxx. I thought the same for a while, but...

Last night, I turned Little Snitch off (to rule it out) and I was running Transmission to download a couple of torrents. I added an XVid torrent and started downloading it to my desktop. I looked over at my Console and suddenly, I noticed that "quicklook" (the process that creates thumbnails for files) was trying to create a thumbnail for the XVid movie. The thumbnailing process failed (probably because the file wasn't done downloading yet), and it was rapidly spitting out this same error message over and over again:

It repeated this about a thousand times (not exaggerating), and the "p=" part of that second line grew higher and higher in number.

Now, I know why this happened: it is because Finder tries to create thumbnails for any file that is in an "active" window. Since the desktop is technically a constantly "active" window, it wouldn't stop trying to create the thumbnail as it failed each time. So, because this error was repeating and Finder was trying soooo hard to make it happen, my system bogged down A LOT, and lo and behold: The return of the jerky mouse! I eventually stopped downloading the file, moved it to a folder that wouldn't be in an "active" window, and the errors in Console stopped. However, the jerky mouse remained. It appears that when Leopard gets stressed, it doesn't recover after the stressful incident has stopped. It doesn't "refresh" itself in any way, apparently.

Now, this thumbnail scenario is very rare, and I know it is not THE ONLY reason that a jerky mouse will occur. BUT, I believe the answer lies in this following statement:

The mouse, GUI, and performance problems will occur when the system is under large amounts of stress of any kind. Period. There is no ONE solution, and it is not always related to the internet or networking. It could be anything: an intensive process, a power-hungry app, too much file-processing, repetitive errors (in my case), and on and on and on.

So what do we do about it? Well, if I am correct, there is nothing that can be done. We don't know if Zeph can do anything, because this may be a genuine Apple bug straight from the developers' desks. All we can do is keep Zeph notified and hope he chooses to help us out in any way he can.

Well guys, that's my 2 cents. I could be wrong, and I hope I am, but I have a feeling I'm not. Good luck to us all.

I went back to non-overclock setup, and so far I haven't gotten any 10810 errors, nor system reboots, but after coming back to my computer after a while of being idle (an hour or two), i've come back to a crashed photoshop, and just now, a crashed firefox. This is an improvement, but still not what I'd like. If I stay stable like this for a few more days I'll install logitech mouse drivers again and see if they run fine.

The mouse, GUI, and performance problems will occur when the system is under large amounts of stress of any kind.

I agree with this totally agrafuese. Thing is now for me these faults always happen after 3 hours use, I left my system on but no internet connected and it didn't happen.
To me it sounds like some kind of memory leak, whatever it is it obviously mounts up over time and then causes the instability.
I would love for someone else to try using there system for over 3 hours with no internet just to see if they get the same results!

Yes!! I was waiting for someone to say this because I wasn't sure if that was the correct term to use! (I know nothing about advanced crap like that, haha) Also, back in the days of Tiger, I recall Netkas (I think) dealing with some setting inside the kernel that had to do with processor timings. I wonder if I can go that far back on his site and find what he was talking about? This is exactly the kind of thing that needs to be investigated.

Question Ianxxx, what are you doing with your system while it is unhooked from internet? Any apps, anything intensive? And when it IS connected to the internet, what are you doing? And what if you simply connect it to the internet and walk away? Would it still slow you down? After the slowdowns, are you seeing anything excessive in Console? Anything repeating? Any "CODE SIGNING" messages? Sorry for so many questions, but they're all important :)

If I leave the system with just firefox running connected to net but do nothing. After 3 hours as soon as I start to use apps it won't be long before I get a crash "usually firefox" programmes that upload as well as download seem to do this best.
Not connected to the net seems to work fine after 3 hours photoshop coding videos etc etc.
Just need someone else to test this out, if I am right at least it narrows things down a little.
A few folks have mentioned java " I think thats a possibility" except this problem seems to be amd only.

At the moment I have one error in console that persists

com.apple.launchd[1] we crashed at instruction: 0xffff0315 (sent by PID 0)

The error is there at startup

What is this anyone know, or more importantly how to get rid of it?

@lanxxx: I'm using a modem, Ethernet conn, proxy.

I think you guys are on the right track here. Memory leaks could well be the prob. If we look back to our windows days we had similar probs like this. Games in particular can be affected by this.

My scenario yesterday when I had the crash was not very intensive. I was viewing a PS tutorial in iTunes while performing the excersice in PS CS3. PS then crashed while not doing anything particular so I can't simulate the behaviour. No specific error msg, just the log thingy. Then when trying to run PS again it crashes again after a very short period of time.

I still don't know if I have the seperate PS crash issue (due to not proper installation or non crack usage) or if this is related to the mouse bug and other crash probs.
Thing is, PS still crashes, but less and I don't have the mouse bug anymore.

Now, Lanxxx, I'm willing to do the network test but what exactly do you want me to do. unplug the ethernet cable from my pc and let the pc run for a few hours? How long? what apps to run? how much stress do you want me to put on the system? Gimme some spec details fo test scenario.

We should also look into what kexts we are running, those with and without issues cause it might just be a simple kext replacement for all I know. What I'll do know is completely get rid of the d-forcedeth kext. It's still on my disk just in case I ever need the nLAN but I remember some having issues with the net even though they weren't using the nLAN and I think Zeph or someone else recommended removing the forcedeth kext completely.

Sorry if this has been thought or said already, or if it's wrong, but I didn't have the time to read any posts in the thread!

I remember exactly this Issue! However, this only occured with an early 10.5.1 version for me.

Now it never happened again.

I thought that it was somehow related to nForce LAN, because when I switched to Wi-Fi and disabled nF4-LAN in BIOS, it never happened again.

in getting random crashes from firefox

and then some regular pc crashing:

Once = computer stayed on all night, next morning all applications failed to launch (gave me an error), had to reboot.

Everyother time = left PC on all night (without azureus) system log says (?:??am) We crashed at 0x0000....forgot the numbers)

with azureus i think its a Java issue, i dont know, ill leave it on again tonight and get a log

Hiya Snow
yep disconnect lan would be good and run for over 4 hours 3-4 hours seems to be the crucial amount of time. Put the system under as much load as you can be bothered, if you don't get any problems after 4 hours I think we have narrowed down our culprit. I'll be away and won't be back till sunday night, but would really appreciate you doing this test. If we can narrow it down to internet related I think that would be very useful.

K, I'll try this today bud. Do I get payed though?

Next post will be with results!

Only payement is that you'll know for yourself if this is net related.
And possibly an appreciative following. "you could end up famous HONESTLY" ;-)

With eddie11c's my mouse had a problem once where they would be a 2 second delay. It resolved after I reset the safari browser. I don't think this equates with the problem though.

Okay I don't have time to fully test this until tomorrow but for anyone wanting to try a possible solution.
If your memory isn't running in accordance with its spd. Then try it, if your motherboard doesnt have the option of run by spd use cpuz in windows and get the info from there.
As I said this is looking promising so far but can't continue my tests till tomorrow.

Hmm, yeah, curious to see what you guys come up with on this one. Right now, I am trying to think of a way that I can disconnect from the internet, but at the same time invoke some kind of repeat Console error message, such as the one I described with the thumbnail creation error above. It in itself wasn't an internet problem of course, but it happened because I was in the middle of downloading a video that needed a thumbnail created...sooo...kind of a catch 22, haha. I'll try to think of something though. There's a certain Office 2008 problem I am considering. Hmm...could Microsoft help us for once? :)

k guys. I unplugged Ethernet cable but ran Mail and Safari, Photoshop, iTunes showing a tutorial vid and Garageband playing a few tracks.

No probs but I do have to say that my system wasn't crashing that often anyway. And I've only had probs with PS so far. Saf has crashed before with the same error as Agra but that happend very rarely.
So I'm not too excited yet but so far it's stable.

Errors displayed while testing

21/03/08 21 maart 18:33:11 kernel CODE SIGNING: cs_invalid_page: p=395[lssave] clearing CS_VALID
21/03/08 21 maart 18:34:04 kernel CODE SIGNING: cs_invalid_page: p=398[Mail] clearing CS_VALID
21/03/08 21 maart 18:38:17 kernel CODE SIGNING: cs_invalid_page: p=403[mdworker] clearing CS_VALID
21/03/08 21 maart 18:43:27 kernel CODE SIGNING: cs_invalid_page: p=404[mdworker] clearing CS_VALID
21/03/08 21 maart 19:07:34 kernel CODE SIGNING: cs_invalid_page: p=407[mdworker] clearing CS_VALID
21/03/08 21 maart 19:46:50 kernel CODE SIGNING: cs_invalid_page: p=412[mdworker] clearing CS_VALID
21/03/08 21 maart 19:52:35 kernel CODE SIGNING: cs_invalid_page: p=413[mdworker] clearing CS_VALID
21/03/08 21 maart 19:59:14 kernel CODE SIGNING: cs_invalid_page: p=414[mdworker] clearing CS_VALID
21/03/08 21 maart 20:09:15 kernel CODE SIGNING: cs_invalid_page: p=417[mdworker] clearing CS_VALID
21/03/08 21 maart 20:35:18 kernel CODE SIGNING: cs_invalid_page: p=422[mdworker] clearing CS_VALID
21/03/08 21 maart 20:53:15 kernel CODE SIGNING: cs_invalid_page: p=423[mdworker] clearing CS_VALID
21/03/08 21 maart 20:59:27 kernel CODE SIGNING: cs_invalid_page: p=424[mdworker] clearing CS_VALID
21/03/08 21 maart 21:06:12 kernel CODE SIGNING: cs_invalid_page: p=427[mdworker] clearing CS_VALID
21/03/08 21 maart 21:18:40 kernel CODE SIGNING: cs_invalid_page: p=428[mdworker] clearing CS_VALID
21/03/08 21 maart 21:26:14 kernel CODE SIGNING: cs_invalid_page: p=433[lssave] clearing CS_VALID
21/03/08 21 maart 21:26:43 kernel CODE SIGNING: cs_invalid_page: p=435[mdworker] clearing CS_VALID

+ 3 hours so far but I'll let it run till I'm off.

Before I try the thing I mentioned previously, I do want to say that I'm up 14 hours here. Internet is on, Little Snitch is on, and I have every single app on my dock running at once, including CS3 apps, Office 08 apps, Linotype Font Explorer, iTunes, and too many more to mention - about 15 in all, plus others that I've been opening and then closing (small stuff). On the flip side, I am not running torrents this time. My console is rock solid stable, aside from the usual CODE SIGNING messages (like Snow just posted) and the occasional mDNSresponder messages which seem to have lessened since I upgraded to Netkas' new AppleSMBIOS. Aside from this new AppleSMBIOS, nothing else has changed on my system aside from the new security update and Safari 3.1. I'm wondering if any of these changes have helped solve the -10810 errors? Though, I have to say, I think I was getting those errors after I tried Ianxxx's memory timing settings (which I have since changed back to default). Also, Firefox seems rock solid, although I am only doing light browsing with it. All of my aggressive browsing is being done in Safari (which I am now in love with since 3.1 came out). Oh, and I have been doing some heavy FTP downloading too throughout this period. No uploading, though. Maybe the next test will be uploading some files, as it seems like that could be the reason torrents cause the slowdowns when I run them.

I still find this problem very freaky, lol. =)

You find it freaky only because you ain't go it :) The rest of us find it a pain in the arrrrsseeee!

On a side note, I just want to say a big W-T-F?!?!? I've been running now for 18 hours straight and still no problems! Is it torrents??? This is the only thing I haven't done yet. And Firefox is behaving! What the hell is up with this shit?

i was telling winlinmac, I come up with a crazy theory.
I was reading about mac memory specs. The importance of spd was stressed a lot in what I was reading.
As real macs don't use bios, but efi.
Is it possible that osx somewhere is reading the spd and using that and the bios is set differently?
I've set my memory to run with spd settings which is a bit of an arse for me as my memory is 2T memory. But so be it.
I've noticed in the past that if I open enough applications that although I might not get apps crashing and mouse jumping, I can tell that the mouse movement isn't quite as smooth.
With memory running at spd this doesn't seem to be the case, so testing will continue.
And thanks for testing my other idea snow.

Ian, what is spd? Can you explain it for a memory noob such as myself? Or link us to the thing you were reading? Btw, here is my latest report:

I'm coming up on 20 hours straight now. I'm still jerky-mouse-free! Still FireFox crash-free. No -10810s, no crashes anywhere, actually. I had all of my apps open for a very long time, but I've closed most of them except for a couple CS3 apps, Linotype, and iTunes. I'm constantly opening and closing Safari and FireFox. Both are behaving really well. I was even running YouTube videos in them, and that's about as taxing as you can get with a web browser, short of maybe Flash games or something? I still haven't run torrents. So now I'm starting to think that my Leopard's weakness is torrents and repetitive system-logging, because otherwise I've done just about everything I can think of to make my system freak out. And as I said, I think the 10810s haven't come back because I am back to default memory timings. I'm not doing any overclocking either. Full default in BIOS. So, take that how you want, but this is my report. I'm going to leave my system on as long as it will let me and see what happens. So far it's perfect. If I could have it be this way forever, I would no longer have a single complaint, and I could stop dreaming about Tiger ;)

I can't link to the stuff I was reading but basically I think I googled mac ddr memory or something similar.
SPD is the firmware chip on your memory that tells bios etc the exact speeds to run it at. I bet if you boot up in to windows and run cpuz you will see that the memory settings your running at are the same as the ones set by spd. I'm pretty dam certain that will be the case.

So wait, how would I know what the spd settings ARE? Unfortunately, I no longer have Windows on this machine (took out the hard drive it was on). I can tell you this: I have my memory settings set to "auto" in BIOS. Does that mean that it will set them to whatever spd tells them to be?

Yep I would guess so. Reads info from chip.
And as I said I'm begining to think that this is the important thing rather than the actual speed.

But you and I have the same RAM don't we? Kingston DDR 400 Dual-Channel? I may be wrong about the brand though. It's been a while since I looked at the chips. I have two 512MB sticks. When was the last time you had it on auto settings in BIOS?