How you getting on Agrafuese?
I'm well and truly converted to the darkside and £144 poorer.

Well, I don't smell any smoke yet, sooooo...I guess I'm fine for now. Ask me in a couple of days, haha :D Seriously though, the temps are high, but the system has never been this stable. I was thinking...I believe the kernel I'm running (Netkas 9.2.0 w/ shutdown fix) has a speedstep function in it. I am wondering what my system would be like if I went back to the version before he implemented the speedstep. My theory is, if idlehalt deals with energy saving and turning it off helps me, maybe using a kernel without speedstep would help me just the same, and perhaps even without the heating up? I don't know if I'm on to anything, but I'll give it a try.

It sounds like I should be asking YOU how you're doing with the Intel...any persuasive words for us? :)

well although I think things got a little worse after I had installed that same kernel, but before then firefox would randomly crash it didn't at all after the idlehalt thing.

I don't want to blow smoke in anyones face but I tell you if you can afford it I'd definatly go intel. I just wish apple had partnered up with amd.

Well, there seems to be a lot of talk about it in rumor circles, but for me it'll be quicker to save money and buy an Intel than it will be to wait for Apple to cozy up with AMD. I'm still tortured by the fact that we've got these issues in Leopard, but not in the old Tiger releases. I really wish I could understand how that would be possible, but I have neither the knowledge nor the time to spend investigating it. Maybe we should be harassing Netkas instead of Zeph. Anyway, I'm doing some tests right now, so I'll be back with reports.

ok, small update:

apparently, there is a newer non-speedstep kernel by Netkas that i never knew about. i'm trying it out right now with some torrents and i'll let everyone know how it works after some hours of monitoring. i checked the idle temperatures on it, and it's waaaay lower than my previous kernel with "idlehalt=0". it's a difference of about 12 degrees. so that voids my theory that idlehalt is the same thing as speedstep when it comes to temperatures. definitely not :P so we'll see what happens.

which kernal does 10.5.2 include??? (of 9.2.0)

@mrburns05: not exactly sure. i think rev1 uses the original 9.2.0 non-speedstep kernel that netkas first released. i don't know which one rev2 uses...possibly speedstep kernel with shutdown fix. the kernel i am using right now is neither of the two. and while i'm here, how about an update:

the newer netkas 9.2.0 non-speedstep kernel didn't help me. i've been running torrents for about 5 hours now and the jerky mouse is back. so it looks like idlehalt=0 is the only solution for me...although, the +12 degrees on my CPU that it brings is definitely not fun or exciting. so once again, case closed for me with no "real" fix. just a "hot" fix ;)

okay now i left azureus on all night downloading a 6gb file, conections limited @ 250/300 peers, no crash!

System: using whatever comes on 10.5.2 rev1 disk

only things ive changed:

Disabled Indexing, turned off time machine, turned off screensaver, and in bios set cpu fan from 90% to full speed ( i believe at idle im around 32-33 Celcius)


I am over clocking (64 X2 3800+"2Ghz" OC'ed @ 2.2Ghz) DDR400 running at 440mhz

Hi All, Does anybody actually have a full working leopard install on AMD, ie without the bugs listed here. My system randomly crashes using torrents or just heavy workload. i have tried all suggestions here and on insanelymac to no avail , although the cpu=1 is the closest to a fix for me (takes about 8hrs to crash). Is there any point continuing on the AMD platform for Leopard or should i just get and Intel setup. It would be a shame to go Intel given all the hard work done by Zephyroth and others, but for me i cant live with random crashing and the mad mouse problems.

Firewalk

idlehalt=0
totally fixed my system apart from temperature issues, but I decided to go intel anyway, its just easier!

Hi lanxxx, I tried idlehalt=0 but my system would reset itself after 30, 50 mins. mouse would freeze then the busy cursor then mouse would dissapear then i would get the spinning logo on desktop and after a minute or so system would reset. so far ive had best results with the cpus=1 command (still results in reset but atleast i can use it for 4-5 hours). Do you know if this problem is purely AMD related as i dont want to buy all intel to hit the same wall again..

AMD OS X has been fun though..

Firewalk

As far as I know its only amd, I wonder if your system was overheating with idlehalt=0 sounds to me like that might be the case. I now have a gigabyte ga-p35-ds3l and I can tell you everything is spot on the only "negative is two channel audio" other wise, everything seems perfect, updated using software update etc etc.

If you think your system might be overheating then I found this temperature monitor

http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/19994

Hi lanxxx, Thanks for the link, although it only shows temps for my hard drives..with the cpu=1 command my system has been running since 9am this morning uk time. so far my uptime is 5.3 hrs with no probs..still gonna look at intel boards and cpus though..

Yeah, that app doesn't work for AMDs...tried it some time ago.

So Ianxxx, you went with the DS3L??? I thought you were gonna go with that other cheapo board? That's good news though, because that's the board I want. Glad to hear another account of the DS3L working great. IMO, 2-channel audio is fine. It's all I use. Besides, I've never had anything more than that with my AMD anyway!

Oh, but AMD users may still have a fighting chance to have a stable system! Did anyone see that JaS is back on the scene?? Check it out: http://forum.insanelymac.com/index.php?showtopic=92524

I was all smiles when I read the news, but he wont be making an AMD release for quite some time it seems. Still, it's something to look forward to! :D

Are you OC'ing at all? If so, try setting everything in your BIOS to default and then try idlehalt=0 again. In my case, I have no more headroom for any kind of tinkering with OC because if I did it, my system would definitely fry. At this point, I'm at about 52 degrees at idle and I'm worried enough about the ambient temperature going up in my house. :\ I may even have to look into more cooling - if I don't get an Intel system first, that is. Oh, and also try not using forcedeth.kext, just to rule it out. Then let us know how you're getting along.

Hi agrafuese, i dont overclock my system so bios is set to defaults, cooling shouldnt be a problem in the antec case i have there are two big 3 speed exhaust fans right next to the cpu. i cant check cpu temp as i havent found a proggie for it, but if i open system and touch the heatsink when running its cold to touch (i know its stupid sticking your fingers in live hardware, so i dont recommend anybody doing this). my record uptime has been 8.5 hours (not good for me).

i am at a loss , will keep researching and testing and let you know how i get on

Firewalk

P.S upon checking i dont have forcedepth.kext installed in extension folder,(isnt forcedepth for nvidia based gfx and network) if so my gfx are ati and network is gigabit.

ah yeah, forcedeth is for nforce lan. very strange...i haven't a clue as to why you're experiencing those issues. we should all just have a "switch-to-intel" party. anyone in? i'll bring the chips and salsa ;)

I don't want to stress much about this, but I had the same issues as you with torrent and amule and now I'm 3 days stable 24/7. I founded that the APIC setting in BIOS was the matter. Plus I set the IRQ not being assigned automatically. I think this is a problem related to 2 core AMDs. Nobody told me to do this, but after month of trying everything possible this was what kept me from buyng another system. I also used the idlehalt=0 fn=3 parameter.

so are you still using idlehalt=0 now? and what does fn=3 do?
what did you do with your APIC setting? on, off, ?

When I went shopping the place I use only had DS3Ls in stock so I thought what the hell. It seems certain components are very in demand. E2180s for isntance. I bought an E2160 unfortunatly it will only clock to 2700 but hell it's running at 25degrees 1.375v so I can live with that. If you do get one of these boards the only downsides I can see are, reports of max bus speed 450mhz (but I think thats high enough as far as I'm concerned) and it seems a little fussy with memory bought 800mhz 444-12 memory it runs at 555-15 but again it will do this at 900mhz default voltage no problem. I used kalyways disc to install and his 10.5.2 update, then just updated everything by software update. Results seem almost perfect, even X11 working. Xbench scores:

Good stuff man. My #1 priority for a mobo is that it is compatible with Leopard to the point of feeling like a real mac. I had it this way on my current system with Tiger, and I intend to get it back in Leopard with an Intel system. I honestly could care less about overclocking. I figure if I really cared that much about speeding things up, I'd rather just put another $100-$200 into a better processor or more RAM. Overclocking is fun and interesting, but I really don't enjoy it as much as others might. It's a bit tedious for me, and I'm constantly paranoid that I'm going to do something wrong. I just want a stable system. So the DS3L sounds like a perfect board as far as that is concerned. As far as a processor goes, I'm a little torn between getting a Q6600 or an E6850. I'm still not clear on whether or not the quad-core would even do anything for me in Leopard, and the E6850 is stock at 3.0ghz with a higher FSB. It's only a $20 difference between the two, so I'm a little on the fence there. Ianxxx, do you know if quad-core would be beneficial at all? Keep in mind OC isn't a concern for me...

As far as I understand it quads come into there own when doing things like converting video files etc. It's a tough one because you have to take into account each piece of software, can it use quad core? If I where you and I was going to spend that type of money I'd consider an E8400 you can get an oem for around £120 or a boxed version for £140, 3Ghz 6mb cache 45 nano tech.as far as I know there is no problem with OS X. I know you said you're not interested in overclocking but reports are that this processor will easily overclock to 4Ghz I think that says something about the processor overclocked or not.

Hi!

I have an intel system as well (GA-P35-DS4-E6850-4gb-7600gt) look my xbench, maybe this can help you.
I have leo installed in a software raid.

http://www.imagehut.eu/images/17892SOFTRAID.png

roisoft what make of hard drives are you using, I was just wondering wether to set up software raid or buy a better hard drive?

2 x 400 WD 16mb cache and 2x 320 Samsung 16mb , same performance +- (both)

@roisoft, your bench scores are absolutely sexy. is your DS4 board working 100% with full-features? anything not working? are you overclocking? is your leopard vanilla?

@Ianxxx, thanks for the advice. I'll check that CPU out.

roisoft how come your graphics scores are so high? You easily outscore my xfx7900gs?
Also could you tell me what kext you use to recognise all 4 sata ports?

yeah my 7900 gt/ko @ 580/1680 gets

Quartz Graphics Test 174.14
Line 132.96 8.85 Klines/sec [50% alpha]
Rectangle 180.65 53.93 Krects/sec [50% alpha]
Circle 148.21 12.08 Kcircles/sec [50% alpha]
Bezier 139.63 3.52 Kbeziers/sec [50% alpha]
Text 572.67 35.82 Kchars/sec
OpenGL Graphics Test 108.79
Spinning Squares 108.79 138.00 frames/sec

E6850=3.4ghz( 24/7) +400mhz OC, 3.8 (stable), 3.95 my top score, but i don´t want to force too much and i don´t need it because the performance is awesome. All the P35-DS series are perfect for OS X, workig 100%, ethernet, 6+2 Sata2, E-sata works, Sleep/Reboot works, Shutdown 50%, 100% stable. Digital Out/In works perfect, and if you want 5.1 you need set up an agregate device in midi preferences and that´s all.

I´ve installed from retail dvd adding dsmos.kext, efi-strings for audio and Gfx, and deleting AppleIntelCpupowermanagement.kext .. that´s all you need.

I´ve enabled the QuartzGL and disable the Beamsync for do this open a terminal and type

LogOut-IN

http://www.imagehut.eu/images/537827600.png

So the answer to the AMD problem is to buy a new intel board and CPU. Joy...

I´m not saying this, I ´m very happy with my 3 amd systems, i love them, I don´t have this kind of problems with them...Did you try another install method? I always use a retail dvd from a spare partition.

I'm very happy with my AMD as well ;)

Works flawlessly since 10.5.1 Rev.2 Beta (Out of the Box for my system), which I still use - (updated with eddie11c's updater to 10.5.2)

Me too, but i just cant seem to get leopard to stop crashing. i have sorted the mad mouse movement bug and tons of others mainly driver related problems i'd been having. but it seems me and others just cant get a stable system ie random crashing, torrents,cant leave on overnight as it crashes. the reason for my above post was, it seems looking at this thread that alot of people have just gone out and bought intel to overcome there problems. please dont feel that i am unaprecitive of all the hard work the devs have done and all the support recieved. i do enjoy the 4-5 hours i can use leopard before a crash its just a tad frustrating..

Firewalk

what do you have for ram in your system???

Hi bhast2, I have 4x1 gig ddr2 800mhz unbuffered.. not sure of the brand but its heatsinked.

Loving those black window decorations how did you change those? i cant find any UI mods for leopard with shapeshifter not compatible.

i had problems with my system crashing all the time
i had 4GB of ram and when i pulled one of them out it quit crashing
just an idea but pull one of your sticks out and see what happens

@roisoft and puttabong:

i couldn't help but look up your signatures over at insanelymac and i happened to notice something veeerryyy interesting:

puttabong: RAM - 1 GB Kingston HyperX DDR
roisoft: RAM - 2GB Kingston HyperX PC3200

okay, it might be a little coincidence, but could it be the reason? roisoft, what are your other 2 AMDs using for RAM?

and finally the big question:

ARE YOU GUYS RUNNING TORRENTS?!??!??! (and if so, for how long?)

sorry, I'll calm down now. ;)

after pulling that 1 ram stick out
i am running torrents now just download about 10GB worth of stuff and no problems what so ever
i was burning a movie and viewing the web and had photoshop open and my system didn't crash at all
no sign of crashing no lag no nothen
I HAVE NOT HAD A SYSTEM CRASH IN 36 HOURS OR ERRORS!!!!!!!! i even got ilife working great

2 x A8N32-Sli dlx with 2 gb Kingston HyperX 3200(both) 4200/4600 x2
1 x GA-K8N-Sli with 2GB Kingston Value Ram. 4000+

I use Azureus for Mac & utorrent via VMware Fusion (the best option for me) 5/6 dowloads simultaneuosly , I´m using wifi adapters 2 x Asus WL-138G v2 (broadcom chipset) working perfect like airport and appleyukon.kext from tiger for my A8N32-sli , i don´t use forcedeth. How long? all the time i need.

I always install from retail dvd patched with marvin, restored into a spare partition.

Hi bhast, thanks for your advice. i have now removed 2 gig of ram from the system will test and let you know. although i have tried this before (but i did have different problems at the time..

Firewalk

i hope it works because when you get your system running right you will never work with windows or linux or whatever again

@roisoft: so you don't use zephyroth's releases?? what method do you use to restore the DVD into spare partition? just normal Diskutility? And is there a method you use to make the installer bootable? and what version of the Leopard install DVD do you use?

also, thanks for the info on the wireless adapters. i may check them out. i've always hated the idea of getting a new lan adapter when i already have two built into my mobo (marvell and nLan), but if it's a wireless adapter, i wouldn't mind.

I have an external disk (usb/firewire), with 1 working leo, 1 tiger and 1 partition for installers. I like to see all the installers (zephyroth, iatkos, kalyway, eddie11c, XxX, tubgirl...).

I use the retail dvd 10.5.0, apply the efi bootloader for that partition and copy mach_kernel (toh), dsmos, AppleNforce..and delete Appleintelcpu,,,finally patch with marvin the partition. Don´t forget once the install finishes you need repeat the steps with the new install (copy kernel,dsmos....patch with marvin).

thanks for the info, i'll give it a try when i have some more free time. do you find that using the retail DVD has any advantages over Zeph's DVDs, or is it just for your own peace of mind?

riosoft!

how the heck is your graphics/OpenGL scores in xbench so high?

i have a 7900GT/KO that scores far lower than your 7600

my clock speeds are even factory oc'ed @ 580/1680

there is something magical about the 7600. it's favored by OSX, apparently. i can tell you that scores with my 8800GT are nowhere NEAR the ones roisoft is getting. actually, OSX hates my card :\

Real mac users use the retail dvd, so i like to be more close possible to real mac you know ?...don´t get me wrong, zeph´s releases are great and i think his work is awesome, admirable and amd users must be very happy and thankful.. [is this the word? sorry for my english :) ]

I have a 7950gt as well and 7600 have better results... the relation drivers/card are perfect.

hey roisoft, i'm going to send you a PM over at insanelymac. :)