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R0GUE 04-11-2008 01:21 AM

My system runs Mac OS X really well, however, I have one small niggling issue and that is my boot up times are somewhat long - around 2-3 minutes give or take. I suspect this could be due to the fact that NForce 5 boards don't always mix that well with OS X. Anyway, verbose boot (-v) tells me that AppleNForceATA is what's causing the delay in boot times as its constantly cycling looking for units (although it always finds 0), then eventually the system will get to the desktop. Does anyone else here experience similar issues or know of a solution? Also, let me know your average boot times from Darwin to the GUI.

Cheers,

R0GUE

WinLinMac01 04-11-2008 01:24 AM

14 seconds. - Cheers!

Puttabong 04-11-2008 01:31 AM

34 seconds

R0GUE 04-11-2008 01:31 AM

Quote:

WinLinMac01:14 seconds. - Cheers!
Wow, now thats fast! Faster than my G5 :o

Puttabong 04-11-2008 01:35 AM

@WinLinMac, that's incredibly fast - congratulations if it's true!

R0GUE 04-11-2008 01:40 AM

I take it none of you guys get any AppleNForceATA issues then?

Code:

32 0 0x34602000 0x7000 0x6000    com.nvidia.driver.AppleNForceATA (1.0.3) <31 17 12>
Thats the version I'm running.

Puttabong 04-11-2008 01:47 AM

Yes, it seems like the problem is related to your AppleNForceATA, the initialization of my disks take a second!
This is what I see when booting up:

http://www.imagehut.eu/images/41715Bild%202.png

bhast2 04-11-2008 02:33 AM

i have the same problem my boot up time is anywhere from 2 to 4 mins
and it is because of the AppleNforceATA
Have to wait for an update from MedEvil to improve this

DoiX 04-11-2008 02:36 AM

1 minute :))

WinLinMac01 04-11-2008 02:39 AM

It takes 7 seconds to load the O/S while the White screen appears before it goes into the actual desktop (14 seconds includes system BIOS appearing at startup). I do believe this is fast, however, as when install multiple applications the boot time can be as high as 40 seconds in some areas. 7 seconds is with default setup. - Cheers! =)

Quote:

[cite] Puttabong:[/cite]It's a good utility to measure the time, isn't it? ;-) Sorry, It wasn't my purpose to show off, buddy :-)

@WinLinMac, that's incredibly fast - congratulations!!

R0GUE 04-11-2008 03:31 AM

Quote:

[cite] bhast2:[/cite]i have the same problem my boot up time is anywhere from 2 to 4 mins
and it is because of the AppleNforceATA
Have to wait for an update from MedEvil to improve this
Quote:

[cite]MeDevil[/cite]UPDATE 23-dec-2007:
I've fixed the driver because it was not handling atapi drive(s). The detection mechanism should be much fast now, however it will slow down a bit the boot process when trying to detect drive(s) on an empty channel. (i'll try to fix this in the next release).
This kext should also resolve the "still waiting for root device".
User with MCP55 chipset: please test this kext and report if it is working!
I hope he's still working on it.

bhast2 04-11-2008 04:37 AM

i hope so too

Ianxxx 04-11-2008 07:27 AM

Quote:

[cite] Puttabong:[/cite]Yes, it seems like the problem is related to your AppleNForceATA, the initialization of my disks take a second!
This is what I see when booting up:

http://www.imagehut.eu/images/41715Bild%202.png
Don't know if it will make any difference to you, but do you have any of your controllers turned off?
I found with the older medevil kext I could skip any delay by turning all the controllers on and specifying no device in bios, turn any of the controllers off and had a big delay.

Reinekis 04-11-2008 08:26 PM

It takes 55 seconds from "Press any key..." to full system boot :)

eMatoS 04-11-2008 08:34 PM

from darwin to hd inactivity (with all the programs loaded) it takes 34 seconds on my Athlon 64 3000+. I also have some nforceata delay.

seren 04-12-2008 12:40 AM

Dude your so full of your self it makes me sick. no intel macs load the Whole os that fast. Im not here to flame on you but i cant help call you out on that stupid lie.

Quote:

[cite] WinLinMac01:[/cite]It takes 7 seconds to load the O/S while the White screen appears before it goes into the actual desktop (14 seconds includes system BIOS appearing at startup). I do believe this is fast, however, as when install multiple applications the boot time can be as high as 40 seconds in some areas. 7 seconds is with default setup. - Cheers! =)

Quote:

[cite] Puttabong:[/cite]It's a good utility to measure the time, isn't it? ;-) Sorry, It wasn't my purpose to show off, buddy :-)

@WinLinMac, that's incredibly fast - congratulations!!


WinLinMac01 04-12-2008 05:47 AM

Lol, but its true! :p Who said that Mac's were even better. Sometimes they're not as fast depending on specifications. =) However, I did state that my boot times varies between 7-14 seconds. Its fast, so don't take it to deep. Lol.

Quote:

[cite] seren:[/cite]Dude your so full of your self it makes me sick. no intel macs load the Whole os that fast. Im not here to flame on you but i cant help call you out on that stupid lie.

Quote:

[cite] WinLinMac01:[/cite]It takes 7 seconds to load the O/S while the White screen appears before it goes into the actual desktop (14 seconds includes system BIOS appearing at startup). I do believe this is fast, however, as when install multiple applications the boot time can be as high as 40 seconds in some areas. 7 seconds is with default setup. - Cheers! =)

Quote:

[cite] Puttabong:[/cite]It's a good utility to measure the time, isn't it? ;-) Sorry, It wasn't my purpose to show off, buddy :-)

@WinLinMac, that's incredibly fast - congratulations!!



seren 04-12-2008 02:05 PM

no im just surprised a 3500+ and a mobo similar to mine out preforms me 5000+ at 3.0ghz with 4gb ddr2 O_o

eddie11c 04-13-2008 04:05 AM

12 seconds on my Intel, will have to test my AMD to see if its as fast. This is to desktop with all processes finished loading.

seren 04-16-2008 07:19 PM

http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/reviews/4258725.html?page=2

iMac | $1499 20"
Boot Average startup 28.7 sec.

Gateway One | $1800
Average startup 1 min. 13 sec.

MacBook* (Penryn) | $1299
Average startup 41.6 sec.

Asus M51SR | $1299
Average startup 1 min. 51 sec.

i dont think anything under 10-15 seconds is accurate.

R0GUE 04-16-2008 08:52 PM

Some more info here: Hackintosh vs. Mac Pro vs. MacBook Pro Benchmarks

WinLinMac01 04-17-2008 02:49 AM

I must the lucky one then. - Cheers, =))

Quote:

[cite] seren:[/cite]http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/reviews/4258725.html?page=2

iMac | $1499 20"
Boot Average startup 28.7 sec.

Gateway One | $1800
Average startup 1 min. 13 sec.

MacBook* (Penryn) | $1299
Average startup 41.6 sec.

Asus M51SR | $1299
Average startup 1 min. 51 sec.

i dont think anything under 10-15 seconds is accurate.

seren 04-17-2008 11:58 PM

Quote:

[cite] R0GUE:[/cite]Some more info here: Hackintosh vs. Mac Pro vs. MacBook Pro Benchmarks
I think this link further shows how crazy you are WinLinMac01



@WInLinMac01
i boot with 30-35 seconds on a 5000+ x2 @ 3ghz per core w/4gb ddr800 so how is it possible your hardware that's 1/3 as fast can even compete?
7 seconds on a 3500+ Venice is impossible
if its true show us what your doing that were not. and booting from sleep doesn't count.

Also your profile says your running "Nvidia Geforce 6600GT 128MB PCI Express (2) / SLI-mode [QE/CI Enabled]"
Running SLI in OS X? that's impossible.

WinLinMac01 04-18-2008 12:04 AM

You have to be aware that when you don't have many applications installed, that does the trick too you know. Starting when the white screen appears, that took me 6 seconds last night before that white screen showed the blue screen and logged into the operating system environment.

Quote:

[cite] seren:[/cite]
Quote:

[cite] R0GUE:[/cite]Some more info here: Hackintosh vs. Mac Pro vs. MacBook Pro Benchmarks
I think this link further shows how crazy you are WinLinMac01



@WInLinMac01
i boot with 30-35 seconds on a 5000+ x2 @ 3ghz per core w/4gb ddr800 so how is it possible your hardware that's 1/3 as fast can even compete?
7 seconds on a 3500+ Venice is impossible
if its true back it up and show us what your doing that were not. and booting from sleep doesn't count.

Also your profile says your running "Nvidia Geforce 6600GT 128MB PCI Express (2) / SLI-mode [QE/CI Enabled]"
Running SLI in OS X REALLY? that's a flat out lie. are you a compulsive liar or is it me? i really wish i could get over this but it really bothers me when people lie. have some integrity.

eddie11c 04-18-2008 12:05 AM

I think some people exagerate boot time, but really my Intel boots so quick. My AMD is about 30 seconds though :(

WinLinMac01 04-18-2008 12:06 AM

Seriously, buddy, I'm not exaggerating here. I don't have any applications installed, I am using the O/S as it is. =)

Quote:

[cite] eddie11c:[/cite]I think some people exagerate boot time, but really my Intel boots so quick. My AMD is about 30 seconds though :(

seren 04-18-2008 12:07 AM

yea and your sli probably ROCKS

WinLinMac01 04-18-2008 12:08 AM

The board is award-winning and has its reputation, but I still doubt that is the reason. I am running a triple-boot configuration here.

Quote:

[cite] seren:[/cite]yea and your sli probably ROCKS

seren 04-18-2008 12:09 AM

its known that running sli wont even start the gui.

braid 07-05-2008 07:49 PM

I was wondering if there is some procedure that makes the boot time better.
Also I belive that some processes on osx could be removed/turned off...

any one knows anything about speed up the boot?

I´m runnig zeph rev2 updated to 10.5.4 at venice 3500, 6600gt, 7200rpm hd , 2gb ram...

LawlessPPC 07-07-2008 12:19 AM

@winlinmac
which nforce driver are you using i ahve 1 system with this chipset and it takes ages to boot. Also my phenom with sb600 takes way longer than this anyone know how to stop the iokitwait time out or speed this up in fact
L8rs
LawlessPPC

BigBadBen 07-07-2008 12:14 PM

Quote:

[cite] WinLinMac01:[/cite]14 seconds. - Cheers!
40 sec here with 10.5.2

FoneBone 07-07-2008 07:12 PM

52 sec with 10.5.4

cgsheen 07-07-2008 07:35 PM

Since I moved my OSx86 10.5.3, 9.3, EFi V8 install to an internal IDE HD, boot time is 25-30 seconds.

Gigabyte 6100/430 s939 MB with Athlon 64 X2 4200+ dual core CPU
2GB PC6400 DDR2 dual channel RAM
8600GTS 256MB video card
PCI Realtek 8169 gigabit LAN card
onboard ALC880 audio

My Phenom install boots in 40-45 seconds - booting off a 60GB 4200RPM 2.5" laptop HD in a USB 2.0 enclosure:
Zephyroth 10.5.1, Chameleon EFI for Phenom, Zephyroth ASU 0.5 update to 10.5.3, 9.3 modbin kernel:

Gigabyte GA-MA78GM S2H AM2+ MB with Phenom 9550 2.2GHz quad core CPU
2GB PC8500 (1066MHz) DDR2 dual Channel RAM
onboard Radeon HD3200 IGP video
onboard RTL8111c LAN
onboard ALC889a audio

milanca 07-08-2008 12:12 AM

15 seconds here.

(10.5.4, kernel 9.4.0, FireWire kexts removed)

Ianxxx 07-08-2008 12:16 AM

Quote:

[cite] milanca:[/cite]15 seconds here.

(10.5.4, kernel 9.4.0, FireWire kexts removed)
Which kexts exactly did you remove, and is that why your boot is so quick?

milanca 07-08-2008 12:37 AM

IOFireWireFamily.kext and IOFireWireSBP2.kext removed. I dont use any firewire ports so i removed them. It was fast booting even before, when i removed them i think it's a bit faster. Its absolutely accurate cause i used stopwatch on my cellphone, from vista bootloader when i pick Mac (hit enter) till desktop shows up.

Puttabong 07-08-2008 11:25 AM

@milanca, I have simply disabled Firewire in BIOS, because I currently have no need for it either.

milanca 07-08-2008 12:42 PM

Oh yes, simplier and smarter way. i did it longer way but never mind, its fine working.

LawlessPPC 07-08-2008 12:44 PM

a reset takes about 5 secs!!!! Ooops thats my Amiga lol. Seriously got to get to the reason I dont have quick start up times of either of the systems ive got OSX on

ToroLoco 09-05-2008 09:35 AM

Increase Booting Time
 
Well I have noticed that my booting time increase a lot lately. It takes at least the double time than initial did. Now it takes about 2min while at the beginning it was less than a minute.

Since it is the same hardware, do you have any idea what is causing this delay? How can I decrease the time without having to make a clear install?

Vista on the same HD takes about 2 - 3 minutes.

LawlessPPC 09-17-2008 10:28 AM

clear all caches with onyx makes a big difference on the time apps startup at. As for start up I dont know if it makes a difference Im guessing it will. I cant say for certain as i use my system as a utility more than anything so i dont use it for all kinds of progs if that makes sense

cgsheen 09-17-2008 08:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ToroLoco (Post 16119)
Well I have noticed that my booting time increase a lot lately. It takes at least the double time than initial did. Now it takes about 2min while at the beginning it was less than a minute.

Since it is the same hardware, do you have any idea what is causing this delay? How can I decrease the time without having to make a clear install?

Vista on the same HD takes about 2 - 3 minutes.

OS X usually gets quicker the first several times you boot as it learns what you need and what you don't. If it's longer than 30 or 40 seconds it's probably because it's stalled momentarily looking for or not finding things it thinks it should have (looking for hardware not there? hardware that's not initializing properly?) Has anything changed?

10.5.4 continues to boot in about 25-30 seconds on my 780G / Athlon64 X2 install. Vista Home Premium x64 (64-bit) boots in 30-35 seconds on the same machine (Vista is NOT on the same HD as my OSx86 install)...

Aydinz 09-19-2008 07:54 AM

im using

AMD Athlon X2 4200+
2GB DDR Ram

and i boot in 30secs, that seems to be the average.
is it true that with a mac ram will make it perform better then CPU i.e. the more ram i have the faster it will go?

Cheers

go2mars 09-28-2008 08:10 AM

16 seconds once power button is pushed until Desktop appears and is responsive.

Using Compaq C714NR Laptop (Hey, it was $299!)
with iATKOS v4.1i

R0GUE 09-28-2008 08:21 PM

There a some incredibly fast boot times being reported here. I sure hope the nforce driver gets an update soon as I still have to wait around 2 minutes from power on to desktop.

Seawane 09-28-2008 09:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LawlessPPC (Post 15101)
@winlinmac
Also my phenom with sb600 takes way longer than this anyone know how to stop the iokitwait time out or speed this up in fact
L8rs
LawlessPPC

ok, it's the same with me and my sb600 and phenom... this iokitwait thing... anyone found what it's for? It takes more than a minute, while my Acer laptop boots in 15 seconds. I would really like to speed it up, since my sleep is not working.

lcn0825 09-29-2008 07:35 AM

1 Attachment(s)
Hi Seawane,

If your SB600 is on the following list, you can try this AppleATIATA to see if it works and speeds up the booting time.

It works on my Acer Extensa 4420-5239 but it may conflict with AppleVIAATA.

Chun-Nan

/*
* Supported devices.
*/
#define ATA_ATI_ID 0x1002
#define ATA_ATI_IXP200 0x43491002
#define ATA_ATI_IXP300 0x43691002
#define ATA_ATI_IXP300_S1 0x436e1002
#define ATA_ATI_IXP400 0x43761002
#define ATA_ATI_IXP400_S1 0x43791002
#define ATA_ATI_IXP400_S2 0x437a1002
#define ATA_ATI_IXP600 0x438c1002
#define ATA_ATI_IXP600_S1 0x43801002
#define ATA_ATI_IXP700 0x439c1002
#define ATA_ATI_IXP700_S1 0x43901002

PingunZ 10-04-2008 10:19 AM

Just booted in 23s (darwin prompt till dock is loaded)
I'll remove some more kexts and add efi strings to boot a little faster.

edit: perhaps a new thread with some tips & tricks to speed up boot would be nice?

nfoav8or 10-05-2008 12:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PingunZ (Post 16700)
perhaps a new thread with some tips & tricks to speed up boot would be nice?

I agree. All the kexts in the Extensions folder aren't really needed; I think a good explanation of them would help individual users make the best choices of whether or not they need to keep them. I've started cleaning up my systems but haven't really been able find a good point of reference to learn from.