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10.5.2 Update First Impressions

Ok ... I thought it would be easy to update to 10.5.2 but I'm experiencing some troubles: 1 - No QE/CI at all with my Geforce 8800 GTS and NVinject 2 - Flash videos on Youtube stop at 2 sec 3 - Some errors related to AppleSMCPlatformPlugin…

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Ok ... I thought it would be easy to update to 10.5.2 but I'm experiencing some troubles:

1 - No QE/CI at all with my Geforce 8800 GTS and NVinject
2 - Flash videos on Youtube stop at 2 sec
3 - Some errors related to AppleSMCPlatformPlugin
...
I hope that there are no others issues (in that case I'll add them here)
So it will take more time to include it correctly in the next DVD.

For those who has updated their Leo, how does it work ?

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144 technical responses curated from 162 original dispatches

Field Note #1 @megaargon1 2008-02-13

Does that mean that 10.5.2 will not be incorporated if the results fail in your upcoming release? Are there any signs of a launch in the coming hours/days?

I have not tried to install the update following the procedures in the other discussion thread. If results are positive, I will post them here. Hackintosh4Life claims that all he did to get the update working was to install it directly via Software Update Utility, but I don't believe that.

@zephyrothOk ... I thought it would be easy to update to 10.5.2 but I'm experiencing some troubles: 1 - No QE/CI at all with my Geforce 8800 GTS and NVinject 2 - Flash videos on Youtube stop at 2 sec 3 - Some errors related to AppleSMCPlatformPlugin ... I hope that there are no others issues (in that case I'll add them here) So…
Field Note #2 @megaargon1 2008-02-13

Thats odd then. Why would he be posting on an AMD discussion forum then? I am having a strong feeling he followed a similar procedure as everyone else did? I would rather wait until you upload the release. I am going to help expedite the amount of time it takes to download 10.5.2 Rev. 1 by leaving my system on and and SEED.

@zephyrothMaybe Hackintosh4Life installed the update on Intel with EFI ...
Field Note #3 @guliath 2008-02-13

hey zephyroth, or anyone who knows, one of the reasons i love mac, is because of the ilife aplications, like garageband, can i use these tools on this install? what i have to do to use them?

thanxx

Field Note #4 @megaargon1 2008-02-13
@guliathhey zephyroth, or anyone who knows, one of the reasons i love mac, is because of the ilife aplications, like garageband, can i use these tools on this install? what i have to do to use them? thanxx

You have to purchase, according to what I know.

Field Note #5 @guliath 2008-02-13

okey, so, if i get an original (or downloaded from torrent ) copy of iLife, i can install it normally?

Field Note #6 @Puttabong 2008-02-13

guliath, yes you can!

Actually every Application made for OS X works flawlessly on a perfect Osx86 Setup.

Here's iWork for example, I use Numbers quite a lot:

Field Note #7 @xlslx 2008-02-13

this will work for about 99,9%
for further information take a look at the insanelymac forums - i think there are information about that already!

Field Note #8 @guliath 2008-02-13

thanx a lot guys!

by the way, does anyone know if my motherboard will work fine? cause i've never seen anyone using it for this, it's an asus m2n-mx, with nforce430, am2 socket.

Field Note #9 @megaargon1 2008-02-13

Yes it can!

And according to the last post which I think was deleted, you can definitely choose either method of acquiring this software.

Field Note #10 @mrburns05 2008-02-13

i got 10.5.2 update to work after lots of patching but now i dont have QE/CI, actually no video at all unless i remove nvinject… havnt found a fix, i was gonna try using a string since im running efiv8, but i have yet to find a string for a 7900GT/KO 256mb

Field Note #11 @megaargon1 2008-02-13

When can we be seeing the release appear online Zephyroth? This will be the last and only release online right?

Field Note #12 @Anonymous 2008-02-13
@megaargonThats odd then. Why would he be posting on an AMD discussion forum then? I am having a strong feeling he followed a similar procedure as everyone else did? I would rather wait until you upload the release. I am going to help expedite the amount of time it takes to download 10.5.2 Rev. 1 by leaving my system on and and…

If you all read my post, I said i did it on my real mac… my AMD i followed the guide on insanely mac.. All went fine… still have QE/CI -

PS: For most of Apple programs (Ilife/Iwork & photobooth) you need QE/CI to run them.

Field Note #13 @jbeckers 2008-02-13

I also have this flash problem, but with rev 1. may be related to saft or safari adblock. are you using any of those zephyroth?

Field Note #14 @roisoft 2008-02-13

I have founded the new (9.2.0) amd kernel (TPB)

uploaded to mediafire

KERNEL (media fire.com/?ebsbz42sutm)

And to Rapidshare

KERNEL (rapid share.com/files/91419883/Kernel_Dsmos_System.zip)

Field Note #15 @eard 2008-02-13

roisoft i have one question men,
i've read in TPB that the patched kernel is for amd/intel, ok
so, you have only uploaded the patched kernel? because i see that there is the vanilla kernel
also patched but it say only for intel mobo and core cpu ;(
cya later and thanks for upload it to direct download

**edit**
i answer my self jeje
yes, thats only the patched kernel

Field Note #16 @mrburns05 2008-02-13

riosoft and eard:

? what - is it patched for AMD?

Field Note #17 @mrburns05 2008-02-13

and if so- can just replace the ones on my install, or do they need to be injected to the installer dvd?

Field Note #18 @eddie11c 2008-02-13

I dont believe that is actually for AMD as it does not work on my system, unless you need EFI installed too. (which I don't) I have however got full QE/CI graphics but it just takes forever to boot to the desktop.

Field Note #19 @agrafuese 2008-02-13

well, here are my first impressions of 10.5.2...

the patching process was very strange (used macgirl's fix on insanelymac). i think i got it to run by luck. also, i am having the same problem as everyone else with the desktop taking forever to boot. about 1-3 minutes. not horrible, but still annoying as hell.

as of now, i really don't see many changes for the things that i do/programs i run. in 10.5.1, my biggest problems were related to safari and i'm really disappointed that safari 3.1 didn't come included in this release. also, there were rumors that the dock's graphics would be more customizable, and that turned out to be false. blah. this just ended up being an over-sized security update for me. waste of time so far. i haven't run the graphics update yet, but i will tomorrow. it's my last hope that 10.5.2 is anything special.

Field Note #20 @Ianxxx 2008-02-13
@zephyrothOk ... I thought it would be easy to update to 10.5.2 but I'm experiencing some troubles: 2 - Flash videos on Youtube stop at 2 sec ... I hope that there are no others issues (in that case I'll add them here) So it will take more time to include it correctly in the next DVD. For those who has updated their Leo, how…

Zeph I bet you didnt have sound working!
I get that until I install kext for soundcard.

Author Update #2 @zephyroth 2008-02-13 ↳ Re: @Ianxxx

Hmmm ... all issues I experienced was because ... I was in safe mode for a couple of hours (and I forgot)!
So no problem with QE/CI and no problem with Flash.
Sound works too.

Actually I'm trying to make "ACPI_SMC_PlatformPlugin" to work properly as it is related to "System.kext" and the console don't stop to tell me that there's a problem with it. (IOKit ...)

There's a problem with "Keyboard and Mouse menu" too while using PS2 keyboard/mouse (it doesn't show anything) but it works with USB Keyboard/Mouse.

The Terminal shows me a message like this one :
"Feb 13 11:06:35 zephyroth-akashs-system-product-name /Applications/Safari.app/Contents/MacOS/Safari[194]:
Unable to load Info.plist exceptions"

But not only with Safari, it shows me the same for mds, spotlight ... etc

At the moment these are the only issues I see and that's enough ...

Field Note #21 @Ianxxx 2008-02-13
@zephyrothHmmm ... all issue I experienced was because ... I was in safe mode for a couple of hours (and I forgot)! So no problem with QE/CI and no problem with Flash. Sound works too. Actually I'm trying to make "ACPI_SMC_PlatformPlugin" to work properly as it is related to "System.kext" and the console don't stop to tell me…

I just removed ACPI_SMC from IOPlatform and got no issues, I did see on one of the forums that someone replaced it with IOPlat. from 10.5.1 and had no issues, hope this helps!

Author Update #3 @zephyroth 2008-02-13 ↳ Re: @Ianxxx

Ok that's what I've done but ... It doesn't help me to understand what was the problem.

Anyway, I still have to fix that damn menu with PS2 Controller. I will try to recompile ACPIPS2Nub, ApplePS2Keyboard, Mouse and Trackpad and see if it works.

Field Note #22 @xan 2008-02-13

my impression about 1052 - shit.

rev1 by zeph was running nice and i dit the update by macgirls tutorial and the update was running. but suddenly i get the error to reboot the machine with the different languages. hehe - and thats it. dead system, no bootin anymore because i had to reset it while the update was running...

so i wait again till the big 1052 REV1 disc. dont want to setup the system again by hand.

Field Note #23 @Ianxxx 2008-02-13
@zephyrothOk that's what I've done but ... It doesn't help me to understand what was the problem. Anyway, I still have to fix that damn menu with PS2 Controller. I will try to recompile ACPIPS2Nub, ApplePS2Keyboard, Mouse and Trackpad and see if it works.

Good luck, don't use ps2 so can't offer any help.
Keep up the good work

Field Note #24 @roisoft 2008-02-13

I´m not at home for a few days and i don´t know if the new kernel works, anybody knows?

Author Update #4 @zephyroth 2008-02-13 ↳ Re: @roisoft

the new kernel (9.2.0) works. I don't know if it's SSE2 compatible but it's SSE3. No 64 bits ...

Field Note #25 @roisoft 2008-02-13

ok, thanks zephyroth, and another question, improves the performance? because with 9.1.0 kernel the system is slow at boot..

Field Note #26 @roisoft 2008-02-13

Hey zephyroth, I´ve founded in insanelymac this LINK (rapid share.com/files/91282272/PS2_Batt_Working.zip) for fix the ps2 & trackpad

Author Update #6 @zephyroth 2008-02-13 ↳ Re: @roisoft

PS2 works ... it's just that the prefPane wasn't working but I've just replaced it with the one from 10.5.1 and it works.

Field Note #27 @megaargon1 2008-02-13

thats good to hear. No need for usb, hooray! Thanks a lot Zeph.

@zephyrothPS2 works ... it's just that the prefPane wasn't working but I've just replaced it with the one from 10.5.1 and it works.
@zephyrothPS2 works ... it's just that the prefPane wasn't working but I've just replaced it with the one from 10.5.1 and it works.
Field Note #28 @fherking 2008-02-13

respect to you tube video, it also happens on pc, its not problem of apple per se.

it happens to me, and other people, in linux, xp , and windows.

nobody knows the problem, but also, in some flash that are no video , (games), theres also no sound.

i think it's something changed in flash , and also in the browsers.

iexplore doesnt have that error (no sound, video stop at two seconds), so many times.

Author Update #7 @zephyroth 2008-02-13 ↳ Re: @fherking

Ok all goes well except a little issue with "IOKit" when the system boots.

I will do some more tests and if it's ok will create the release and start upload this night.
I'll keep you informed if something goes wrong ...

PS: Megaargon ... I know you're happy but all these posts are a bit stressing ...

Field Note #29 @R0GUE 2008-02-13
@zephyrothI will do some more tests and if it's ok will create the release and start upload this night. I'll keep you informed if something goes wrong ...

Take your time man, its best to get things right rather than rush them. Certain people here need to learn that patience is a virtue

Author Update #8 @zephyroth 2008-02-13 ↳ Re: @R0GUE

Yes you're totally right ...
Megaargon if you're reading these lines ... ;-))

Field Note #30 @rumar4u 2008-02-13

Well here's my personal Experience with 10.5.2

1st I can't believe i wasted 1 day of my life trying to get it done, but finally did
2nd Weird but, nvinject.kext its preventing the desktop to load With or Without LeoGraphicsUpdate plus the patch
3rd Installed NVidia Universal Installer and because of the nvinject wont let me load the Desktop (have to remove it)
so right now my status 1024x768 no QE/CI

nForce 4 Ultra, s939 AMD x64 4200
GeForce 8600GT & GeForce 7300SE (Both work with 10.5.1, none with 10.5.2)

any help will be appreciatte it

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Field Note #31 @eddie11c 2008-02-13

Ok for those of you getting stuck loading to desktop for 2 minutes, you need to install EFI and the 9.2.0 kernel and it will load like normal. I installed EFI with boot_v8/applesmbios.kext and the new system.kext/dsmos.kext/mach_kernel and all is back to normal.

Field Note #32 @agrafuese 2008-02-13

i can also confirm that the new 9.2.0 kernel does indeed fix the long boot-up problem. woohoo! back to normal

ASUS A8N-SLI Premium nForce4 / AMD 3800+

Field Note #33 @althon 2008-02-14

The new kernel doesn't work for me
Asus K8N4-E Deluxe / nForce4-4x

Author Update #9 @zephyroth 2008-02-14 ↳ Re: @althon

Should I include it in Leo-10.5.2 ?

I've installed it manually and all is ok but after adding it to the ISO and trying an installation I get a kernel panic on first boot ...

Author Update #10 @zephyroth 2008-02-14

Yes, EFI is included but I think I've just find why it gives me a kernel panic ...

EDIT: BTW I was talking about 9.2.0 kernel not EFI .

Field Note #34 @megaargon1 2008-02-14

What was the reason you were getting a kernal panic? It is 9.2.0 in 10.5.1 too right?

@zephyrothYes, EFI is included but I think I've just find why it gives me a kernel panic ... EDIT: BTW I was talking about 9.2.0 kernel not EFI .
Author Update #11 @zephyroth 2008-02-14 ↳ Re: @megaargon1

Nop It's 9.2.0 in 10.5.2 . And ... I still don't understand why it gives me a kernel panic ... grrr

Field Note #35 @althon 2008-02-14
@eddie11cmake sure you have EFI installed or it won't

Same thing.
However, I'll be waiting.

Field Note #36 @megaargon1 2008-02-14

so basically you slipstreamed 10.5.2 with your update, and all of a sudden gave you a kernal panic?

Author Update #13 @zephyroth 2008-02-14
Feb 13 21:24:59 zephyroth-akashs-system-product-name /System/Library/Frameworks /PubSub.framework/Versions/A/Resources/PubSubAgent.app/Contents/MacOS/PubSubAge nt[304]: Unable to load Info.plist exceptions Broadcast Message from [email protected] (no tty) at 21:25 CET... Feb 13 21:25:01…

It gives me a headache with that damn sound everytime this kind a message appears ...

Someone experiences the same issue with 10.5.2 update ?

Field Note #37 @megaargon1 2008-02-14

Thanks for closing that other thread, "What is your status Zephyronth?" It was going to become endless. @DoiX,I read your post nice and carefully. I see where your intentions were. Sometimes its better not to disclose that kind of language.

Field Note #38 @megaargon1 2008-02-14

Wouldn't that be something to announce to Apple. Apple is responsible for these kind of problems, unless you patched something so it can work with AMD-based processors.

@zephyrothFeb 13 21:24:59 zephyroth-akashs-system-product-name /System/Library/Frameworks /PubSub.framework/Versions/A/Resources/PubSubAgent.app/Contents/MacOS/PubSubAge nt[304]: Unable to load Info.plist exceptions Broadcast Message from [email protected] (no tty) at 21:25 CET... Feb 13 21:25:01…

It gives me a headache with that damn sound everytime this kind a message appears ...

Someone experiences the same issue with 10.5.2 update ?

Field Note #39 @rumar4u 2008-02-14

Well Finally...
After almost 36 hours of trying everything to update to 10.5.2 im reporting success...

But, the new Kernel 9.2 needs to be downloaded and applied with the dsmos.kext

The LeoGraphicsUpdate with GeForce 8600GT and patches at first gave me Kernel Panic but i restored the NV* & Ge* kexts with NVinject and its up and running flawless, it even managed to take away the Glitches and some Antialiased problems

Also downloaded the old nvinject 0.1.3 cause it shows in System Profiler my Video Card (8600GT) with the correct Ram

Running on: nForce 4 Ultra, s939, x64 4200, 1Gb Ram, 8600GT, USB Audio (M-Audio Transit), nForce Lan, USB Modem (Sprint PCS Broadband)

Time Machine Backups fixed (little icon in the taskbar spins!)

Success Report

Field Note #40 @megaargon1 2008-02-14

Finally, someone reports a success with the 10.5.2 update. Time me to try it myself. Thanks for detailing your solution.

Field Note #41 @roisoft 2008-02-14

Zephyroth! Do you have your HD ok? maybe this is a kind of Hard Disk Corruption?

Field Note #42 @megaargon1 2008-02-14

Zephyroth (or if someone else can clearly answer this), what is the difference between the AMD and Intel Kernal? Is the performance the same? What about stability-wise?

Field Note #43 @DoiX 2008-02-14

the intel kernel is vanilla.. meaning it supports the original kext files from a real mac because its intel... the amd kernel is patched in order to work on this type of processor, vanilla is better than e patched kernel

Field Note #44 @megaargon1 2008-02-14

Are there any performance differences?

@DoiXthe intel kernel is vanilla.. meaning it supports the original kext files from a real mac because its intel... the amd kernel is patched in order to work on this type of processor, vanilla is better than e patched kernel
Field Note #45 @megaargon1 2008-02-14

Thanks for explaining.

@DoiXthe intel kernel is vanilla.. meaning it supports the original kext files from a real mac because its intel... the amd kernel is patched in order to work on this type of processor, vanilla is better than e patched kernel
Author Update #14 @zephyroth 2008-02-14 ↳ Re: @megaargon1

@roisoft

My HD is ok according to diskutil. It doesn't happen for all Applications. I've just checked the preinstall and postinstall scripts of 10.5.2 update but I didn't find anything that can explain this behaviour.(even with Google).

Field Note #46 @DoiX 2008-02-14

megaargon, please don't write consecutive posts… if you have something to add use the edit button

Author Update #15 @zephyroth 2008-02-14 ↳ Re: @DoiX

Ok I've just made a fresh installation ... all went fine.

10.5.2 Rev1 is the same as Rev.2 except:

- Kernel 9.2.0 + System.kext + dsmos.kext
- Modified Security Update and Remote Desktop Client (some files were deprecated)
- Includes 10.5.2 Update
- Graphic Update without NVidia kexts
- NVidia Universal Installer with the kexts from Graphic Update

...

Should I include latest Quicktime and iLife update ?

Field Note #47 @compaqdrew 2008-02-14
Should I include latest Quicktime and iLife update ?

Yes.

Field Note #48 @HCE 2008-02-14

I vote to leave them out and let people decide if they want them later on.

Field Note #49 @guliath 2008-02-14

wait, can i insatll them EASILLY later? in that case i vote for the NO INCLUDED thing

Field Note #50 @HCE 2008-02-14

I believe it's simply a matter of downloading/installing them. That's why I vote for leaving the installation image as light as possible. But that's just me.
P.S.: If I'm wrong, then better include it, it will surely make some people happy.

Author Update #16 @zephyroth 2008-02-14 ↳ Re: @HCE

ok no cpuid for iLife and only one for QuickTime (QuickTime.components) so it should be easy to install later.

Field Note #51 @eard 2008-02-14

i vote to include them
anyway, we will to downlad them later, so download the iso with the files inside
is the same thing but more easy
but

@zephyrothok no cpuid for iLife and only one for QuickTime (QuickTime.components) so it should be easy to install later.

i think is better, i dont use iLife
tnx and cya latr!

Field Note #52 @lbodrozic 2008-02-14

quick question, just to verify...

previous posts indicate that zephyroth's 10.5.2 rev1 will have sse2 only support. is that still the case?

i ask only b/c i see there will be some kernel updates to this release. want to make sure the sse2 only support doesn't get squashed in the process.

thanks, and great work you all!

[update]: by sse2 only support, i mean support for procs that do not have sse3. obviously if you have both, you're already all set.

Field Note #53 @DoiX 2008-02-14

lol in 10.5.1 rev 1 zeph forgot to add the sse2 kernel meaning it had only sse3 kernel 10.5.1 rev2(not released to the public) has sse2 and sse3 kernel, 10.5.2 is 10.5.1 rev2 with the updates an other stuff (this one will be released to the public) has sse2/3 kernel support(as 10.5.1 rev2)

Field Note #54 @Ianxxx 2008-02-14

Zeph I know you must get sick of this but I'm really really curious, how did you solve the nforce lan problem. I have 10.5.2 up and running new kernel etc. But still have the same issue.

Field Note #55 @guliath 2008-02-14

well, i do use iLife a lot, so if it's instalation is easy to do later, i have no problem if it's not included

Author Update #17 @zephyroth 2008-02-14 ↳ Re: @guliath

@lanxxx

I'm using original kexts with EFI ... Freezes stopped right after that.
I've still some issues when I upload/download at the same time but no freezes, just the internet connection that drops and I must restart my router.

Field Note #56 @megaargon1 2008-02-14

Would be great if you include iLife. I've been wanting this all my life. Do you think you can also incorporate Garageband? That would be great man. Thanks a lot.
Great to hear what you are including.

@zephyrothOk I've just made a fresh installation ... all went fine. 10.5.2 Rev1 is the same as Rev.2 except: - Kernel 9.2.0 + System.kext + dsmos.kext - Modified Security Update and Remote Desktop Client (some files were deprecated) - Includes 10.5.2 Update - Graphic Update without NVidia kexts - NVidia Universal Installer with…
Field Note #57 @Ianxxx 2008-02-14
@zephyroth@lanxxx I'm using original kexts with EFI ... Freezes stopped right after that. I've still some issues when I upload/download at the same time but no freezes, just the internet connection that drops and I must restart my router.

Thanks for answering, I'm guessing by originals you mean from 10.5.0 DVD?

Field Note #58 @DoiX 2008-02-14

:))) i vote not to include ilife and quicktime updates they are easy to install

Author Update #19 @zephyroth 2008-02-14 ↳ Re: @DoiX

ok ok

Some more things to do, I don't know if it will be finished tonight, I'm tired.
Tomorrow I will not be @ home so you could expect a release for this week end.

Field Note #59 @xlslx 2008-02-14
@zephyrothok ok Some more things to do, I don't know if it will be finished tonight, I'm tired. Tomorrow I will not be @ home so you could expect a release for this week end.

dont tell the last sentence too loud to megaargon
if you didnt get it done tonight ill wish you nice dreams, if so, iam very happy and not only me

Author Update #20 @zephyroth 2008-02-14 ↳ Re: @xlslx

And I think Megaargon will not hate me for one more day ... (or two ... or maybe three ...)

Field Note #60 @xlslx 2008-02-14

woooow…not too many days please

what you have to do now? which works and which not, can you create a little list before you go to sleep or get the next hughe cup of very heavy coffee?

Field Note #61 @rodjoo 2008-02-14

Well, I think that we can be veeery happy even if Zeph do that release for the weekend...don't forget that he's trying to get a nice smooth install on all our computers, and he can do trial-and-error only on his own computer...so he si doing a biiig job and we should let him do it the way he wants it...it is the least what he deserves..

So, I'll just sit back and continue to wait patiently for Zeph to do his work the way he wants it to be done, and than be very happy when he does the release :))

Thank you Zeph!

Field Note #62 @xlslx 2008-02-14

i totally agree to this! TOTALLY!

@rodjooWell, I think that we can be veeery happy even if Zeph do that release for the weekend...don't forget that he's trying to get a nice smooth install on all our computers, and he can do trial-and-error only on his own computer...so he si doing a biiig job and we should let him do it the way he wants it...it is the least…

btw: Zeph, did you mean its a good idea to create a small beta for our testers, so they can test it on other amd machines and give you feedback for a smoother dvd?

Author Update #21 @zephyroth 2008-02-14 ↳ Re: @xlslx

- I get the "error 35" while booting the dvd thus the installer log is full with lines concerning this error and is not easy readable (and I tried everything to fix this issue: IONetworkingFamily ... etc)

- I still have the "Unable to load Info.plist exceptions" which appears in Terminal if you launch it while using your system.
(ex: You opened your Terminal to repair some permissions but didn't close it and in the same time if you opened some others apps, this message will appear in the opened Terminal with a $%+!? sound .)

- Some issue remains with IOKit prolly because of the new System.kext.

And maybe there are others things to do but I don't know at the moment

Author Update #22 @zephyroth 2008-02-14

@ xlslx

Oh damn I forgot to finish the upload of the modified 10.5.2 update ... Puttabong will whip me until Death follows !

Field Note #63 @xlslx 2008-02-14

Zeph i searched a little using google for the error35 using this search string with google "leopard boot error 35" and got this -> forum.osx86 scene.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2984
which means this -> -bash-3.2# diskutil list
2007-11-05 18:46:20.839 diskutil[179:10b] _CFGetHostUUIDString: unable to determine UUID for host. Error: 35
2007-11-05 18:46:20.925 DiskManagementTool[180:10b] _CFGetHostUUIDString: unable to determine UUID for host. Error: 35

i am willing to search a little more for you to help you with your work, but i dont know if you are happy about my help or not.

got this too:

[update] Time machine now works OK with the default ToH IONetworking . . do you see the traditional:

“CFGetHostUUIDString: unable to determine UUID for host. Error: 35? error in console?

it seams the error is from everywhere of IONetworking!?

Author Update #23 @zephyroth 2008-02-14 ↳ Re: @xlslx

Yes I got this error ... And I managed to fix it several times with the appropriate IONetworking kext ...

Field Note #64 @roisoft 2008-02-14

copy & paste from sneosx86.frefluux.net

This workaround will help you to remove the "_CFGetHostUUIDString: unable to determine UUID for host. Error: 35" error. 1.) BACKUP your /Library/Preferences/SystemConfiguration/NetworkInterfaces.plist 2.) Open /Library/Preferences/SystemConfiguration/NetworkInterfaces.plist 3.) ADD AFTER <string>Ethernet</string></dict> the following:…
Author Update #24 @zephyroth 2008-02-14 ↳ Re: @roisoft

It includes the latest "AppleNForceATA" by MeDevil and "sil3132" chipset driver

@ Roisoft

Thanks ... But I already tried to do that ...

Field Note #65 @howarchaic 2008-02-14

Not to turn into megaargon, but I have the AMD 770 chipset now, I've been playing with the 10.5.1 dvd, and have been getting the waiting for root message, trying to figure out what I'm doin wrong...

Field Note #66 @xlslx 2008-02-14

@zephyroth / roisoft:

and what about this thing?

There is now final extension fix from #leopard @ irc.osx86.hu.

You can get it here.
Unpack it an place it to /System/Library/Extensions/IONetworkingFamily.kext/Contents/MasOS/
If you used my workaround please restore your backup of NetworkInterfaces.plist.

This fix will set IOBuiltin = true for all network devices.

and at the following link there are more information about this error, it may help you:

sneosx86.free flux.net/blog/archive/2007/11/12/_cfgethostuuidstring-final-extension-fix.html

(including users feedback with more information)

Field Note #67 @howarchaic 2008-02-14

Here's my setup:
AMD BE 5000+
Biostar TA770
SB600 southbrige
SATA Samsung DVD
SATA Seagate 250 gig
3x western digital HDs, assorted sizes, all set to cable select
8800gt 512 mb...

Field Note #68 @VyperX 2008-02-14

Will it work good on my computer?

My laptop is a Toshiba Satellite A215-S4767, it has 2 gb ram, AMD turion 64x2 Dual Core Mobile Technology, 250 gb HDD + 80 gb HDD (external), ATI Radeon X1200, 54g Atherols Wi-Fi (802.11b/g); 10/100 Ethernet; 4 USB, 1 FireWire, 1 VGA, 1 S-Video, 1 ExpressCard 34/54. 5-in-1 memory card reader, Realtek High Definition Audio ALC268

Field Note #69 @xlslx 2008-02-14

@howarchaic

please search in this forum - in my opinion your problem was discussed severeal times - just take some minutes and search for it!
i didnt have that problem yet but i mean its caused by a wront master/slave setting - just consult the forum posts and your bios

maybe set your cable select to master/slave! and try again

Field Note #70 @megaargon1 2008-02-14

Don't worry, I am not asking for more. At least we got an ETA. Thank you very much Zeph. I can say that you are doing a truly amazing job getting the smoothest install for us. I can't wait to try it out. Don't forget, I am willing to seed overnight once the update is released. So we can see something in the horizon, right? I'm on your side. I wouldn't be surprised to see the release as early as Friday. Take a break Zeph after you are done with the upload while we take care of the rest. =)

Field Note #71 @megaargon1 2008-02-14

huh? Wait-a-sec- you're uploading something? :-o Just kidding, lol, - Cheers. As I said, I am in no hurry, but do keep it up. I like where this is going. I can see the hard work you are doing Zeph. We all really do appreciate it.

@zephyroth@ xlslx Oh damn I forgot to finish the upload of the modified 10.5.2 update ... Puttabong will whip me until Death follows !
Field Note #72 @xlslx 2008-02-14

oh my god megaargon, STOP writing those types of comments - that peeves not only zeph, your peeving all of ous with your (cant wait, is it done?, and your uploading) messages. That what he wants to upload is just only(!) the apple 10.5.2 package itself to the Beta-tester-Server in a little modiefied version, no final iso and no complete install

last word: Zeph WILL tell US ALL WHEN HE is DONE! - so stop writing those messages, thanks!

ps: and NO, youll not get access to this server…

Field Note #73 @cgsheen 2008-02-14

Can someone please BAN him - at least until Zephyroth is finished...

Field Note #74 @megaargon1 2008-02-14

I was just joking. Cut me some slack . Here, I'll ban myself for some time. How's that for a change? However, I'll try to help out other users that are currently facing real problems with their O/S's. I am that kind of person you know.

edited by roisoft: Stop with this kind of messages ok? this is the last chance..!

Field Note #75 @slee202 2008-02-14

edited, added Zephyroth's to next sentence and rig info at end. Wish I could remember how to format text to show added words.

Is this true? Is Zephyroth's 10.5.2 going into beta not being released?

@xlslxoh my god megaargon, STOP writing those types of comments - that peeves not only zeph, your peeving all of ous with your (cant wait, is it done?, and your uploading) messages. That what he wants to upload is just only(!) the apple 10.5.2 package itself to the Beta-tester-Server in a little modiefied version, no final iso…

If so ouch. Where do I apply to be a beta tester? Really.

Also the bit about: "Zeph WILL tell US ALL WHEN HE is DONE!"
Where? I am not pushing for a faster release just a single point where I can check the status instead of reading a dozen threads.

edit:
If I am going to talk about beta testing I should list the rig I would be using.

Motherboard
Manufacturer: MSI
Model: K9N Diamond
Bios Version: 1.7
Chipset:
• North Bridge: NVIDIA® nForce 590 SLI Chipset
• South Bridge: NVIDIA® MCP55PXE Chipset
Audio: onboard Soundblaster
• Chipset integrated by Creative ® CA0106
- 24-bit / 96 KHz audio quality

CPU
Manufacturer: AMD
Model Number: AMD® Athlon 64 x2 6000+

Memory/DDR:
2 GB (2x1) DDR2 800 MHz

Video
Manufacturer: EVGA
Model: e-GeForce 8600GTS (nVidia 8600GTS chipset)
Bus Type: PCIe x16
Memory: 512MB, 128 bit DDR3

Field Note #76 @slee202 2008-02-14

megaargon

If you have not already been banned, a word of advice. No matter how nice you say it

@megaargonhuh? Wait-a-sec- you're uploading something? :-o Just kidding, lol, - Cheers. As I said, I am in no hurry, but do keep it up. I like where this is going. I can see the hard work you are doing Zeph. We all really do appreciate it.

at this point ANYTHING you say will irritate people! You can not solve this with nice words, You can only solve it by not saying anything.

Field Note #77 @VyperX 2008-02-14

Will it work good on my computer?

My laptop is a Toshiba Satellite A215-S4767, it has 2 gb ram, AMD turion 64x2 Dual Core Mobile Technology, 250 gb HDD + 80 gb HDD (external), ATI Radeon X1200, 54g Atherols Wi-Fi (802.11b/g); 10/100 Ethernet; 4 USB, 1 FireWire, 1 VGA, 1 S-Video, 1 ExpressCard 34/54. 5-in-1 memory card reader, Realtek High Definition Audio ALC268

Field Note #78 @rumar4u 2008-02-14

This site would not have been this kind of funny without this Kid megaargon, he definitive can't wait for his stuff, i just imagine him 3 to 5 years ago waiting for Santa Claus, i think its almost the same for him...

I remember back when i first download the Zeph's rev 1 how much patches i had to made and how many times i had to install it, and in all this time i've managed to get everything done with my rev 1 just by reading in other forums and threads

As soon as the Rev 2 comes out, i dont want to imagine this site flooded with his comments if something comes out not the way he wanted...or by a kernel panic...LOL

Author Update #25 @zephyroth 2008-02-14 ↳ Re: @rumar4u

@roisoft

I retried what you told me (the fix I already tried and which didn't work) ... This time it works !
Prolly I did not make it correctly the first time or it didn't work because of all the fix I tried.

Thanks to remind me this.

Field Note #79 @Cromwell 2008-02-14

@zephyroth
Glad to hear that =)
So which issues left?

Field Note #80 @bhast2 2008-02-14

hey zephyroth keep up the great work I have been waiting for this new leopard from you. I couldn't run the other one because of my chipset hope this one will work
but take your time don't rush it make sure all bugs are out of it
we are behind you all the way

o and your my hero

Field Note #81 @roisoft 2008-02-14
@zephyroth@roisoft I retried what you told me (the fix I already tried and which didn't work) ... This time it works ! Prolly I did not make it correctly the first time or it didn't work because of all the fix I tried. Thanks to remind me this.

Nice

Field Note #82 @megaargon1 2008-02-14

Like he said: Zeph you are my hero. Take your time, make sure you work out all of the bugs, and keep up the great work. As I said in a previous post, Bill Gates is probably already jealous of you. =)

@bhast2hey zephyroth keep up the great work I have been waiting for this new leopard from you. I couldn't run the other one because of my chipset hope this one will work but take your time don't rush it make sure all bugs are out of it we are behind you all the way o and your my hero
Field Note #83 @megaargon1 2008-02-15

Why isn't Mac OSX open-source? I means it comes from the same foundation as Linux, right?

Field Note #84 @DoiX 2008-02-15

magaargon, you said you will ban yourself...what happen?

ps: os x is unix not linux and not all linux distribution are free

Field Note #85 @megaargon1 2008-02-15

Banned in discussions relating to Zeph's upcoming release from what I wrote. I can still help other people and myself you know.

Field Note #86 @WinLinMac01 2008-02-15

All Linux Distributions that are Open-source are by law Free by GNU License. If Kernal is Open-source, should be free as well as everything is voluntary.

Megaargon, I tried the AMD Mac image too, and am on your side, I want it so badly. Be light with megaargon, I think he has understood.
I personally feel that the new image should come out today, but just be aware, you're not the only one that has free time in your life. People have other responsibilities too you know like taking care of family, and making money for home.

Field Note #87 @rfuilrez 2008-02-15

The foundation of OS X is open source. Darwin BSD. You can even download it off Apple's servers... somewhere.

Aqua (the Window Manager) and alot of the libraries that make a Mac work the way it does is Proprietary. And that's all the stuff that anybody really wants!

Field Note #88 @VyperX 2008-02-15

Will it work good on my computer?

My laptop is a Toshiba Satellite A215-S4767, it has 2 gb ram, AMD turion 64x2 Dual Core Mobile Technology, 250 gb HDD + 80 gb HDD (external), ATI Radeon X1200, 54g Atherols Wi-Fi (802.11b/g); 10/100 Ethernet; 4 USB, 1 FireWire, 1 VGA, 1 S-Video, 1 ExpressCard 34/54. 5-in-1 memory card reader, Realtek High Definition Audio ALC268

Field Note #89 @slee202 2008-02-15

close.

All GNU Distributions are open source, because that is what GNU has declared as is purpose. Promoting and distributing open source software.

Not all open source is GNU, if you yourself create a truly new piece of software and patent it you can simply declare that it is open source, create you own version of open source license to distribute with the software and wallah it is. That after all is what freeware and shareware are! The reason GNU is such a presence is that many of the early UNIX developers believed in GNU so much that they gave their patents to GNU. So now GNU owns and has declared open source some very important software. Any time you develop software based on something owned by GNU you must accept that those parts of it are legally free and can be altered and distributed by anybody. Those parts, not the whole program. This is especially important because some very important pieces of most of the UNIX basic kernal are owned by GNU.

Not however BSD based UNIX, that is all under its own open source license.

@WinLinMac01: All Linux Distributions that are Open-source are by law Free by GNU License. If Kernal is Open-source, should be free as well as everything is voluntary.

Field Note #90 @jrangles 2008-02-15

In Piratabay, it is the update of OSX 10.5.2 for AmD.
I installed it and works perfect.
In a single package that installs everything to you, including new kernel... very simple
... and it works perfect
...It requires to have installed efi

Field Note #91 @WinLinMac01 2008-02-15

Thanks, going to install as soon as it finishes download avg. 49kbps on a 10mbps connection. I assume we just install this right? No further patching, right? I wonder what Zephyroth is thinking. This update may have eased his project.

@jranglesIn Piratabay, it is the update of OSX 10.5.2 for AmD. I installed it and works perfect. In a single package that installs everything to you, including new kernel... very simple ... and it works perfect ...It requires to have installed efi
Field Note #92 @subsonic 2008-02-15

I dont think this update have eased his project since zephs 10.5.2 supports way more hardware than the last release. Me for one had trouble installing 10.5.1, so my hopes are up that 10.5.2 will work for me. The update is only important to people with a already working 10.5.1, the rest is still happy to get the 10.5.2 from zeph =)

@WinLinMac01Thanks, going to install as soon as it finishes download avg. 49kbps on a 10mbps connection. I assume we just install this right? No further patching, right? I wonder what Zephyroth is thinking. This update may have eased his project. @jrangles: In Piratabay, it is the update of OSX 10.5.2 for AmD. I installed…
Field Note #93 @HCE 2008-02-15
@zephyroth:-)

Hello, zephyroth. Good smile or bad smile?

Field Note #94 @damnesiac 2008-02-15

After installing 10.5.2. update my cpu is now reported as only being single core when it's dual core

Author Update #28 @zephyroth 2008-02-15 ↳ Re: @damnesiac

Yeah same for me but you can check if the 2 cores are correctly detected by typing "sysctl -a" in Terminal (for me yes, it's just that it doesn't appear in System Profiler)

Field Note #95 @iero 2008-02-15

@zephiroth : Does 10.5.2 have some support dor SAS (Serial Attached SCSI) controler and disks ?

I cannot find my disks on a SAS powered computer..

It's a 2 x "dualcore Opteron 2000 series" with a Nvidia FX5500.. and I would be happy to run leo on it..

Field Note #96 @roisoft 2008-02-15

You can try with this Files (media fire.com/?dm9nyy3nzyo)
/system/library/systemprofiler (backup the others)

edit : didn´t work

Field Note #97 @Rajmahal783 2008-02-15

Hey Zephyroth First I want to say your installations are perfect, really really good! 10.5.1 is amazing great job! I was just wondering one quick question on 10.5.2, how big of a file do you think it's going to be once it's done? And are you going to make two? Meaning those of us that have 10.5.1 zeph amd already installed and working doing just a straight update vs's a full installation of 10.5.2. Does that make sense? Sorry if it does not. Thanks again. Keep up the great work!

Field Note #98 @damnesiac 2008-02-15
@roisoftYou can try with this Files (media fire.com/?dm9nyy3nzyo) /system/library/systemprofiler (backup the others)

Still nothing

@Rajmahal783Hey Zephyroth First I want to say your installations are perfect, really really good! 10.5.1 is amazing great job! I was just wondering one quick question on 10.5.2, how big of a file do you think it's going to be once it's done? And are you going to make two? Meaning those of us that have 10.5.1 zeph amd already…

There's a 10.5.2 update floating around on TPB, you need EFI installed to load the 9.2.0 kernel though. Check the wiki for instructions on installing kernel.

Field Note #99 @rumar4u 2008-02-15
@zephyrothYeah same for me but you can check if the 2 cores are correctly detected by typing "sysctl -a" in Terminal (for me yes, it's just that it doesn't appear in System Profiler)

Also in Activity Monitor in Applications/Utilities you can check the 2 cores working differently meaning that YES it has Dual Core capacity

Field Note #100 @roisoft 2008-02-15

open a terminal and type "sysctl -a" you will see the correct 2 cores report, it´s only something "stetic"

Field Note #101 @cgsheen 2008-02-15

I just ran the HUD applet (crap, can't remember the name!) It showed both cores working and throttling properly, just like they did before...

Field Note #102 @Rajmahal783 2008-02-15

Hey damnesia thanks yea I saw that on TPB but I think I will wait for zeph's 10.5.2 AMD. I'm hoping with his I can get my sound working it's Conexant HIGH DEF Audio if anybody's know anything I'd appreciate it. And also my trackpad and keyboard which worked during installation but not after. Thanks.

Field Note #103 @Rajmahal783 2008-02-15

These are my specs:

Product Name dv2415nr
US Product Number GA534UA#ABA
Microprocessor 1.8 GHz AMD Turion ™ 64 X2 Dual-Core Mobile Technology TL-56
Microprocessor Cache 512KB+512KB L2 Cache
Memory 1024 MB DDR2 System Memory (2 Dimm)
Memory Max Max supported 2048 MB
Video Graphics NVIDIA GeForce Go 6150 (UMA)
Video Memory Up to 287 MB
Hard Drive 160 GB (5400RPM) SATA
Multimedia Drive LightScribe Super Multi 8X DVD±R/RW with Double Layer Support
Display 14.1" WXGA High-Definition BrightView Widescreen Display (1280 x 800)
Fax/Modem High speed 56k modem
Network Card Integrated 10/100BASE-T Ethernet LAN (RJ-45 connector)
Wireless Connectivity 802.11b/g WLAN

Field Note #104 @damnesiac 2008-02-15

Your trackpad is most likely PS2 so you need the PS2 kexts in the wiki. If you find out the exact model of your conexant audio I'm sure there's a kext out there that will work for you. Simple to install. If you have a usb keyboard/mouse on hand use that to install the necessary kexts.

Field Note #105 @StealthMode 2008-02-15

I attempted to install the 10.5.2 update, but my comp locked up half way through and now everything is fubbered up... So I think I'll just wait till Zeph's release. I was able to get everything up an running perfect with your last image, so I am really looking forward to this release

AMD Opteron 165
DFI Ultra-D
2gb G.Skill
nVidia 6800GS
2x250gb SATA
1x120gb SATA (Leo)
Broadcom Wireless NIC

Field Note #106 @damnesiac 2008-02-15

Hmm my guess is you tried to install the 9.2.0 kernel without efi?

Field Note #107 @Rajmahal783 2008-02-15

Is that is damnesiac? Thanks for your reply.

PS2 Mouse & Keyboard issue
after installing Leopard , boot again from the install dvd and after choosing your language, choose "terminal" from the menu bar: then enter this command:

cp -Rf /System/Library/Extensions/ApplePS2Controller.kext /Volumes/leopard//System/Library/Extensions/ApplePS2Controller.kext

NOTE: replace /Volumes/leopard according to the name you gave at your Leo partition-What does that mean exactly? My Partition name is Leopard and it's Disk2s1

Field Note #108 @damnesiac 2008-02-15

It means you'd replace "leopard" with "Leopard" so you get this exactly...

cp -R /System/Library/Extensions/ApplePS2Controller.kext /Volumes/Leopard/System/Library/Extensions/ApplePS2Controller.kext
Field Note #109 @WinLinMac01 2008-02-15

I can bet you all that megaargon is probably on his feet now jumping for joy after hearing the update from Zephyroth. LOL

Field Note #110 @HCE 2008-02-16

I'm not so sure he's here... Or, if he is, he's awfully quiet, not really his style, judging by the past few days...

Field Note #111 @WinLinMac01 2008-02-16

I think he just wanted to hear when it was being released. Lets study how he responds to the forums today.

Field Note #112 @StealthMode 2008-02-16
@damnesiacHmm my guess is you tried to install the 9.2.0 kernel without efi?

Not exactly. This was before there was a proper AMD update only. Oh well, I wanted to reinstall with Rev2 anyway.

Field Note #113 @WinLinMac01 2008-02-16

Lets all sit back and wait for Zephyroth's "Go" for throttle up, in proper terms, go for download, LOL- Cheers...

Field Note #114 @mrburns05 2008-02-16

mine says this with that code: Does it mean ite detecting both cores?

machdep.cpu.address_bits.virtual: 48
machdep.cpu.address_bits.physical: 40
machdep.cpu.cache.size: 512
machdep.cpu.cache.L2_associativity: 8
machdep.cpu.cache.linesize: 64
machdep.cpu.arch_perf.fixed_width: 0
machdep.cpu.arch_perf.fixed_number: 0
machdep.cpu.arch_perf.events: 0
machdep.cpu.arch_perf.events_number: 0
machdep.cpu.arch_perf.width: 0
machdep.cpu.arch_perf.number: 0
machdep.cpu.arch_perf.version: 0
machdep.cpu.thermal.ACNT_MCNT: 0
machdep.cpu.thermal.thresholds: 0
machdep.cpu.thermal.dynamic_acceleration: 0
machdep.cpu.thermal.sensor: 0
machdep.cpu.mwait.sub_Cstates: 0
machdep.cpu.mwait.extensions: 0
machdep.cpu.mwait.linesize_max: 0
machdep.cpu.mwait.linesize_min: 0
machdep.cpu.cores_per_package: 1
machdep.cpu.logical_per_package: 2
machdep.cpu.extfeatures: SYSCALL EM64T
machdep.cpu.features: FPU VME DE PSE TSC MSR PAE MCE CX8 APIC SEP MTRR PGE MCA CMOV PAT PSE36 CLFSH MMX FXSR SSE SSE2 HTT SSE3
machdep.cpu.brand: 0
machdep.cpu.signature: 135089
machdep.cpu.extfeature_bits: -472646657 3
machdep.cpu.feature_bits: 395049983 1
machdep.cpu.stepping: 1
machdep.cpu.extfamily: 0
machdep.cpu.extmodel: 2
machdep.cpu.model: 43
machdep.cpu.family: 15
machdep.cpu.brand_string: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 3800+
machdep.cpu.vendor: AuthenticAMD

Field Note #115 @WinLinMac01 2008-02-16

Looks unicore to me.

@mrburns05mine says this with that code: Does it mean ite detecting both cores? machdep.cpu.address_bits.virtual: 48 machdep.cpu.address_bits.physical: 40 machdep.cpu.cache.size: 512 machdep.cpu.cache.L2_associativity: 8 machdep.cpu.cache.linesize: 64 machdep.cpu.arch_perf.fixed_width: 0 machdep.cpu.arch_perf.fixed_number: 0…
Field Note #116 @mrburns05 2008-02-16

well thats not good... Both cores show up in istat menu, and are operating separatly, so i think its working fine

Sources & Contributor Provenance (37 credited usernames · Thread #267)
UsernameDossier ContributionDispatchesActive Window
@zephyrothPrimary Author322008-02-13 → 2008-02-15
@megaargon1Core Contributor222008-02-13 → 2008-02-15
@roisoftCore Contributor132008-02-13 → 2008-02-15
@xlslxCore Contributor92008-02-13 → 2008-02-14
@guliathCore Contributor62008-02-13 → 2008-02-14
@IanxxxCore Contributor62008-02-13 → 2008-02-14
@WinLinMac01Core Contributor62008-02-15 → 2008-02-16
@mrburns05Core Contributor52008-02-13 → 2008-02-16
@HCECore Contributor52008-02-13 → 2008-02-16
@DoiXCore Contributor52008-02-14 → 2008-02-15
@damnesiacCore Contributor52008-02-15
@rumar4uCore Contributor42008-02-13 → 2008-02-15
@howarchaicCore Contributor42008-02-14
@Rajmahal783Core Contributor42008-02-15
@eddie11cCore Contributor32008-02-13 → 2008-02-14
@subsonicCore Contributor32008-02-13 → 2008-02-15
@VyperXCore Contributor32008-02-14 → 2008-02-15
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@althonContributor22008-02-14
@cgsheenContributor22008-02-14 → 2008-02-15
@StealthModeContributor22008-02-15 → 2008-02-16
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@jbeckersContributor12008-02-13
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